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Re: Nigel bloody Farage sinks hope of pistol ban repeal

#11 Post by nfrancis »

the running man wrote:Typical spin of ukip hate by the daily mail there....forage is talking sense....how long till the press see the sgc 9mm being fired rapid on video? You can have that or a 338 lap but not a pistol, do me a favour and grow up....
Er - this is sense?

Restrict the number of foreigners on British football teams, which it believes is behind their ‘lack of success’
Ban the burqa and hold referendums on new mosques
Axe the Ministry of Defence
Impose ‘proper dress’ in theatres, hotels and restaurants
Investigate alleged discrimination against white people at the BBC
Paint trains in traditional colours
Deploy soldiers on the street
Enforcing a dress code for taxi drivers
Make the London Underground's Circle line a circle again
Give MPs more freedom on their expenses
Return the crown to pint glasses
froggy

Re: Nigel bloody Farage sinks hope of pistol ban repeal

#12 Post by froggy »

Gaz,

You've got all the influential newspapers queueing up etc ... etc ...

Cos of course all the influential newspapers have been waiting for that moment before queuing up to bash lawful firearms owners ?
Are you actually for real ??

BTW , You still have not answer, who in your view from the Conservatives and Labour has done anything to help the cause of pistol shooting in the UK ?

You can't answer because for the 1st time since 1997, when Labour banned pistols, a politician actually makes a public stand and takes the defence of pistol shooting !
and all you can do is complain ??
Bafling !!

In case you were too busy trying to constantly scrutinise the police for faults, UKIP single-handed has managed to break the taboo & mutual tacit agreement of the two major political parties to ignore the concerns of the nation about immigration and force the issue on the agenda...

The same way, the Consevative & Labour have been ignoring the issue of gun control, leaving the only voice heard in the land to be the one calling for yet more restriction. Not even a pip from the NRA is heard nationwide in the medias on the issue.

Let's be clear . If the current situation goes on, if gun-owners keep crawling & hiding in the dark, slowly their rights will be erroded until everything is finally taken away from them.

Only, if all the shooters, gun-owners but also field-sport lovers were to place a voice in Westminster do they stand a chance to be heard.
It happens that the only party ready to be this voice, whether you like it or not, is UKIP .
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Re: Nigel bloody Farage sinks hope of pistol ban repeal

#13 Post by the running man »

nfrancis wrote:
the running man wrote:Typical spin of ukip hate by the daily mail there....forage is talking sense....how long till the press see the sgc 9mm being fired rapid on video? You can have that or a 338 lap but not a pistol, do me a favour and grow up....
Er - this is sense?

Restrict the number of foreigners on British football teams, which it believes is behind their ‘lack of success’
Ban the burqa and hold referendums on new mosques
Axe the Ministry of Defence
Impose ‘proper dress’ in theatres, hotels and restaurants
Investigate alleged discrimination against white people at the BBC
Paint trains in traditional colours
Deploy soldiers on the street
Enforcing a dress code for taxi drivers
Make the London Underground's Circle line a circle again
Give MPs more freedom on their expenses
Return the crown to pint glasses



Neil you know perfectly well what I mean, forage is talking sense ref the pistol ban being ludicrous......which it Is, especially In light of why it was introduced,The rest of these points aren't really in there current manifesto surely???

Hope that clears up my last........
When someone says "it's not about the money" you know what? it probably is all about money!
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Re: Nigel bloody Farage sinks hope of pistol ban repeal

#14 Post by the running man »

froggy wrote:Gaz,

You've got all the influential newspapers queueing up etc ... etc ...

Cos of course all the influential newspapers have been waiting for that moment before queuing up to bash lawful firearms owners ?
Are you actually for real ??

BTW , You still have not answer, who in your view from the Conservatives and Labour has done anything to help the cause of pistol shooting in the UK ?

You can't answer because for the 1st time since 1997, when Labour banned pistols, a politician actually makes a public stand and takes the defence of pistol shooting !
and all you can do is complain ??
Bafling !! +1 well said.....

In case you were too busy trying to constantly scrutinise the police for faults, UKIP single-handed has managed to break the taboo & mutual tacit agreement of the two major political parties to ignore the concerns of the nation about immigration and force the issue on the agenda...

The same way, the Consevative & Labour have been ignoring the issue of gun control, leaving the only voice heard in the land to be the one calling for yet more restriction. Not even a pip from the NRA is heard nationwide in the medias on the issue.

Let's be clear . If the current situation goes on, if gun-owners keep crawling & hiding in the dark, slowly their rights will be erroded until everything is finally taken away from them.

Only, if all the shooters, gun-owners but also field-sport lovers were to place a voice in Westminster do they stand a chance to be heard.
It happens that the only party ready to be this voice, whether you like it or not, is UKIP .
When someone says "it's not about the money" you know what? it probably is all about money!
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Re: Nigel bloody Farage sinks hope of pistol ban repeal

#15 Post by the running man »

froggy wrote:Gaz,

You've got all the influential newspapers queueing up etc ... etc ...

Cos of course all the influential newspapers have been waiting for that moment before queuing up to bash lawful firearms owners ?
Are you actually for real ??

BTW , You still have not answer, who in your view from the Conservatives and Labour has done anything to help the cause of pistol shooting in the UK ?

You can't answer because for the 1st time since 1997, when Labour banned pistols, a politician actually makes a public stand and takes the defence of pistol shooting !
and all you can do is complain ??
Bafling !!

In case you were too busy trying to constantly scrutinise the police for faults, UKIP single-handed has managed to break the taboo & mutual tacit agreement of the two major political parties to ignore the concerns of the nation about immigration and force the issue on the agenda...

The same way, the Consevative & Labour have been ignoring the issue of gun control, leaving the only voice heard in the land to be the one calling for yet more restriction. Not even a pip from the NRA is heard nationwide in the medias on the issue.

Let's be clear . If the current situation goes on, if gun-owners keep crawling & hiding in the dark, slowly their rights will be erroded until everything is finally taken away from them.



Only, if all the shooters, gun-owners but also field-sport lovers were to place a voice in Westminster do they stand a chance to be heard.
It happens that the only party ready to be this voice, whether you like it or not, is UKIP .

+1 well said......
When someone says "it's not about the money" you know what? it probably is all about money!
nfrancis

Re: Nigel bloody Farage sinks hope of pistol ban repeal

#16 Post by nfrancis »

the running man wrote: Neil you know perfectly well what I mean, forage is talking sense ref the pistol ban being ludicrous......which it Is, especially In light of why it was introduced,The rest of these points aren't really in there current manifesto surely???

Hope that clears up my last........
The problem is one of perception though.

Gun owners <-> Friends of UKIP <-> Religionists/misogynists/xenophopes/innorants <-> Looneys.. Nobody wants Looneys owning guns :-(

Gaz is right - its hammered the coffin firmly shut. I personally don't think it was even the slightest bit open anyway but the fact that by association my sport is associated with the likes of UKIP (even if its in a dream), hacks me off.
froggy

Re: Nigel bloody Farage sinks hope of pistol ban repeal

#17 Post by froggy »

Completely Untrue. That story was garbage - complete and utter nonsense spread by mischief makers.


I am afraid NFrancis you are simply 100% wrong & I stand firm by not a claim but by the hard facts .
London 2012 have reversed their controversial decision that would have prevented schoolchildren from receiving free tickets to the Olympic shooting competitions next year.

http://www.insidethegames.biz/sports/su ... c-shooting



There was an initial ban from the London mayor for children to attend shooting events. This ban was only reversed after the intervention of the BOA.
Shooters should be under no illusion that with Boris Jonhson as an MP they should not expect a conservative party on ytheir side.

At the end of the day, we all agree that the 2012 Olympics were once in a life time golden opportunity to allow back 22lr pistol shooting in the UK as a sport and sadly we can all see that the conservatives chose to let the opportunity slip away and do strictly nothing about it.

Not much you or me can say about that really - action, or lack of it, speaks louder ...






Gaz & NFrancis ,

you tell us very loud who you dont like & dont want help from but can you actually be constructive and tell us who, as shooters, actually like you ?
Is it the BBC ?
Is it "the Times" ?
Is it " the Guardian" ?
Is it the Conservatives ?
Is it Labour ?

And please tell us, if it is either of those two parties, what have they done in practice for you and pistol shooting ?

thanks
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Re: Nigel bloody Farage sinks hope of pistol ban repeal

#18 Post by the running man »

nfrancis wrote:
the running man wrote: Neil you know perfectly well what I mean, forage is talking sense ref the pistol ban being ludicrous......which it Is, especially In light of why it was introduced,The rest of these points aren't really in there current manifesto surely???

Hope that clears up my last........
The problem is one of perception though.

Gun owners <-> Friends of UKIP <-> Religionists/misogynists/xenophopes/innorants <-> Looneys.. Nobody wants Looneys owning guns :-(

Gaz is right - its hammered the coffin firmly shut. I personally don't think it was even the slightest bit open anyway but the fact that by association my sport is associated with the likes of UKIP (even if its in a dream), hacks me off.
that's fair comment, I'm with froggys views myself.its clear ukip has some tydying up to do ref their policies and party etc, so I respect your view of ukip situation.....
When someone says "it's not about the money" you know what? it probably is all about money!
Gaz

Re: Nigel bloody Farage sinks hope of pistol ban repeal

#19 Post by Gaz »

froggy wrote:Gaz,

You've got all the influential newspapers queueing up etc ... etc ...

Cos of course all the influential newspapers have been waiting for that moment before queuing up to bash lawful firearms owners ?
Are you actually for real ??

BTW , You still have not answer, who in your view from the Conservatives and Labour has done anything to help the cause of pistol shooting in the UK ?

You can't answer because for the 1st time since 1997, when Labour banned pistols, a politician actually makes a public stand and takes the defence of pistol shooting !
and all you can do is complain ??
Bafling !!

In case you were too busy trying to constantly scrutinise the police for faults, UKIP single-handed has managed to break the taboo & mutual tacit agreement of the two major political parties to ignore the concerns of the nation about immigration and force the issue on the agenda...

The same way, the Consevative & Labour have been ignoring the issue of gun control, leaving the only voice heard in the land to be the one calling for yet more restriction. Not even a pip from the NRA is heard nationwide in the medias on the issue.

Let's be clear . If the current situation goes on, if gun-owners keep crawling & hiding in the dark, slowly their rights will be erroded until everything is finally taken away from them.

Only, if all the shooters, gun-owners but also field-sport lovers were to place a voice in Westminster do they stand a chance to be heard.
It happens that the only party ready to be this voice, whether you like it or not, is UKIP .
Why the hell should we stand by and take a kicking from the newspapers? Journos aren't totally immune to arguments changing their minds - I've spent the afternoon, on and off, debating with an Economist reporter about firearms theft stats and showed him that the Home Office numbers, while accurate, are presented in such a way as to confuse anyone without in-depth knowledge looking at the topic. (in brief, they lump pistol, rifle, shotgun and starting pistol - yes, really - thefts together under the heading of "firearms").

Labour is open in its hate of us - I've written about that before myself. The Conservatives aren't actively against us, but they certainly aren't helping us. Had it not been for Bird I do think we might have had some progress with the Olympic pistols - but as it was, that passed us by.

Here UKIP's leader has gifted the antis an opportunity to bash us. Heck, there's an anti-UKIP campaign who've now started a petition for pistols to remain illegal. Yet you want to continue sitting in the dark and let everyone keep pouring buckets of ordure over us because you think the sun shines out of Farage's backside!

As for field sport lovers, you are aware that UKIP are trying to attract the animal rights lunatics, aren't you? http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/455804 ... p-policies - "Animal rights protestors don't have a clue about Ukip - we'd ban live exports, says Farage"
nfrancis

Re: Nigel bloody Farage sinks hope of pistol ban repeal

#20 Post by nfrancis »

froggy wrote:Completely Untrue. That story was garbage - complete and utter nonsense spread by mischief makers.

I am afraid NFrancis you are simply 100% wrong & I stand firm by not a claim but by the hard facts .
London 2012 have reversed their controversial decision that would have prevented schoolchildren from receiving free tickets to the Olympic shooting competitions next year.

http://www.insidethegames.biz/sports/su ... c-shooting
It was a technical ticket channelling issue. The mischief making was to ham up the story to claim it was the anti gun lobby "what did it" That was pretty much nonsense despite what was reported at the time by some media channels.
There was an initial ban from the London mayor for children to attend shooting events. This ban was only reversed after the intervention of the BOA.
No there wasn't - see above
At the end of the day, we all agree that the 2012 Olympics were once in a life time golden opportunity to allow back 22lr pistol shooting in the UK as a sport and sadly we can all see that the conservatives chose to let the opportunity slip away and do strictly nothing about it.
There was no intention to do anything abut it - I'm afraid anyone who thought this was dreaming....
Gaz & NFrancis ,

you tell us very loud who you dont like & dont want help from but can you actually be constructive and tell us who, as shooters, actually like you ?
Is it the BBC ?
Is it "the Times" ?
Is it " the Guardian" ?
Is it the Conservatives ?
Is it Labour ?

And please tell us, if it is either of those two parties, what have they done in practice for you and pistol shooting ?

thanks
I don't understand your question. None of the above is going to promote the sport of the discipline I currently take most interest in either. The best way to promote shooting and shooting sports is to simply get on with it and participate in it. No real good coming on places like this and preaching to the converted. Ask yourself what you do on a basic level every day week or month to promote your chosen sport or discipline.

Sports and pastimes succeed because people participate and follow them.

The next competition I'm involved with is the Spring Action Gallery Rifle Meeting at Bisley over the weekend over the 22/23 March. Why don't you come to that? Shoot a bit of T&P1 and 1500?
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