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I/we were lucky enough to handle one of these early last year. From an engineering viewpoint it was a work of art and not really something I would associate with the The Glorious Eternal Empire Of Mother Russia

Thanks SG and snayperskaya and Saddler, got it now :)

Just could not understand the name, with the unloading and the reloading manually each time.

No doubt Ovenpaa will come along in a minute and say....she is foreign :roll:

ovenpaa wrote:I/we were lucky enough to handle one of these early last year. From an engineering viewpoint it was a work of art and not really something I would associate with the The Glorious Eternal Empire Of Mother Russia

Avomat Kalashnikova also engineering art!

'Twas a Belgian design, made for the Tsar and remains in service to this very day with some specialist Russian units (who fit them with Brahmit devices), some reserve rear echelon units and the guards on the national railway service. It works, it isn't broken, so it doesn't need fixing.

meles meles wrote:'Twas a Belgian design

Actually, a Belgian imitation of a French design, generally known as the "Systeme Delvigne."

The Delvigne pattern spawned a lot of imitators, like all of the almost-Glocks and not-quite-1911s. There were a handful of imitations made in Germany, but the Russians made so many that the design is probably forever associated with them.

Delvigne pistols were made with left or right hand swing-out cylinders, calibers up to .44, and with or without the "gas seal."

The "gas seal" was primarily a means of indexing the cylinder; it got rid of a bunch of machining and precision fitting. Each chamber indexes precisely on the end of the barrel, so there are no "bad" or "good" chambers. No particular precision was required, other than indexing close enough for the chamfers to match up.

The Nagant also had a transfer bar safety, double action trigger, and a swinging breechblock which served to lock the cylinder forward on firing, and prevented fired cases from backing out and jamming the action.

I'd love to have a Delvigne/Peiper/Nagant pattern revolver in .357 Magnum...

I somewhat fancy the idea of a nagant fitted with a gas piston and a trigger disconnector. Mateba eat your heart out!

And would Sir like that with copper plating and burl walnut grips?

meles meles wrote:And would Sir like that with copper plating and burl walnut grips?

Well I be accused of uphill gardening? Cos that would upset my boyfriend.

The double action trigger pull is horrendous, the single action pull is stiff. The example I fired (1943 Izhevsk arsenal rebuild) shot way to the left, it was the revolver, not me, and using the anemic Serbian ammunition I found for it you could practically see the bullet leave the barrel. These are interesting to check out and if given a chance fire one though Western shooters have not been deprived not having these things.

I have one along with a TT33 on 7.3, it also shoots about a foot to the left but quite accurate in single action.
Reloading is a bit interesting as there are many ways of producing ammo, even down to using .32 S&W long, but the NRA have ppu 7.62x38 brass so found this works best and gives the gas seal. You seat the recessed bullet then can use a .30 carbine size die to truncate over it.