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Get an S5 RFD to import it for you then have it checked/UK proofed.

Zib won't ship as it's tricky to "privately" import deacts from Europe as UKBA guidelines are to sieze any deactivated firearm without a UK deact certificate but on an RFD level with the correct paperwork it's no problem. Tenbury Guns have been bringing German deacts over for a year now and they sell them with only the German CIP stamps - they are the equivalent of old spec with moving parts etc.

snayperskaya wrote:

polemass wrote:yes,but I have friends in Hamburg and family member in Prague,you can pay by credit card and send there-so,back to main question pls

You didn't say that in your original post, just that you were to order a deac in from Germany.If they won't ship to the UK there is obviously a reason.
I believe German deacs arent done to the same spec as UK deacs and and will usually field strip,cock and dryfire.

Actually he did:

but how it works in real world if I will bring a gun from Germany with certificate in English?

That sounds as though it will be carried and not shipped.

thanks-I am not out of woods now but have general idea(mess as usual,nothing clear)-will do my own reserch too very soon.Do not like to open can of worms but if I get any results and maybe happy ending this time-will post my findings,thnx,jb

DanTheMan wrote:Zib won't ship as it's tricky to "privately" import deacts from Europe as UKBA guidelines are to sieze any deactivated firearm without a UK deact certificate but on an RFD level with the correct paperwork it's no problem. Tenbury Guns have been bringing German deacts over for a year now and they sell them with only the German CIP stamps - they are the equivalent of old spec with moving parts etc.

I have been watching developments with this dealer with interest for a while now.......In my opinion he is sailing very close to the wind with these German deacs.

He is using the "European Proofing agreement" to import and sell these deacs. I think he is carrying out some additional work when they arrive though, removing piston heads, rendering barrels un removable etc.

His theory is, if the reciprocal act works for Live firearms then it must also work for deactivated weapons, I wouldn't try it, but he's been selling for a year now as you say.

RusMilitary have been selling Russian spec deacs for years in the UK, despite some grumping from the HO, they still trade them.

I guess Tenbury Guns like playing poker, it could all go horribly wrong!!

huntervixen wrote:

DanTheMan wrote:Zib won't ship as it's tricky to "privately" import deacts from Europe as UKBA guidelines are to sieze any deactivated firearm without a UK deact certificate but on an RFD level with the correct paperwork it's no problem. Tenbury Guns have been bringing German deacts over for a year now and they sell them with only the German CIP stamps - they are the equivalent of old spec with moving parts etc.

I have been watching developments with this dealer with interest for a while now.......In my opinion he is sailing very close to the wind with these German deacs.

He is using the "European Proofing agreement" to import and sell these deacs. I think he is carrying out some additional work when they arrive though, removing piston heads, rendering barrels un removable etc.

His theory is, if the reciprocal act works for Live firearms then it must also work for deactivated weapons, I wouldn't try it, but he's been selling for a year now as you say.

RusMilitary have been selling Russian spec deacs for years in the UK, despite some grumping from the HO, they still trade them.

I guess Tenbury Guns like playing poker, it could all go horribly wrong!!

I agree, it could go wrong very easily.

Just to exhume this thread, I bought a deact AKS74U from Tenbury Guns this week. I used to have a Rusmilitary style 'model' version of this and it always bugged me that it was manufactured as such, hence me buying this. It's a 1990 rifle and I am pretty pleased with it, it's in good condition given that it's 14 years old but not quite mint as described. It came with a circle 10 Bulgarian magazine which was a bit disappointing but I have a few other mags to jam in it anyway.

Tenbury do appear to carry out a few additional procedures on the rifle. It's basically mullered and even if I wanted to (which I don't as I value my freedom) I couldn't reactivate it with a machine shop and a lot of time on my hands. The barrel is drilled six times, there is a pin welded at the muzzle end of the barrel, two pins welded at the breech end of the barrel (one longitudinally and one horizontally), the bolt face has been ground away to nothing, the firing pin channel is welded up etc. It comes with its own 'deactivation certificate' from Birmingham Armoury (Tenbury) which lists the deactivation steps.

Still, a nice piece with a bit more provenance than a Rusmilitary 'model' gun and a good way of accessing some more interesting deactivated guns which still have moving parts. I don't think the price is too bad given import fees, VAT and the extra work carried out. This one was £540.

Good stuff, I presume it all cocks & dry fires ?

Yep, same 'functionality' as an old spec rifle. Oh I forgot to say, the gas piston has been removed too.

Swifty Boy wrote:Just to exhume this thread, I bought a deact AKS74U from Tenbury Guns this week. I used to have a Rusmilitary style 'model' version of this and it always bugged me that it was manufactured as such, hence me buying this. It's a 1990 rifle and I am pretty pleased with it, it's in good condition given that it's 14 years old but not quite mint as described. It came with a circle 10 Bulgarian magazine which was a bit disappointing but I have a few other mags to jam in it anyway.

Tenbury do appear to carry out a few additional procedures on the rifle. It's basically mullered and even if I wanted to (which I don't as I value my freedom) I couldn't reactivate it with a machine shop and a lot of time on my hands. The barrel is drilled six times, there is a pin welded at the muzzle end of the barrel, two pins welded at the breech end of the barrel (one longitudinally and one horizontally), the bolt face has been ground away to nothing, the firing pin channel is welded up etc. It comes with its own 'deactivation certificate' from Birmingham Armoury (Tenbury) which lists the deactivation steps.

Still, a nice piece with a bit more provenance than a Rusmilitary 'model' gun and a good way of accessing some more interesting deactivated guns which still have moving parts. I don't think the price is too bad given import fees, VAT and the extra work carried out. This one was £540.

I notice it has a nice Tula mag in it now.To be fair the ones Oleg sells at Rusmilitary are made at the same factory as the real deal and strip and cock etc the same as the real thing and are made from the same parts, only difference is they have never been a live firing functional part.