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Re: Replacement milsurp iron sights to correct high fall of
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:09 pm
by Steve E
Sandgroper wrote:I know it depends on the rifle, but what sort of change in POI can I expect if I increase the height of the fore sight by 'x' amount?
If it is a No4/No1/No5 or P14 changing the foresight blade by 0.015'' (as that is the incremental changes) moves the MPI approx 2" at 100yds.
Re: Replacement milsurp iron sights to correct high fall of
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:14 pm
by Charlotte the flyer
Many thanks for all of the replies.
Steve E wrote:For the No4, what size foresight do you have on the Rifle?
Steve, the current front sight is a +045. I need to get onto the range to see how far out it is but I'm guessing that I will need a +060 or +075. From memory it's about a foot high at 300, I was shooting at ETRs though, I need to be on a gallery range really.
Re: Replacement milsurp iron sights to correct high fall of
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:17 pm
by Alpha1
What sort of ammunition are you using.
Re: Replacement milsurp iron sights to correct high fall of
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:34 pm
by Steve E
Charlotte the flyer wrote:Many thanks for all of the replies.
Steve E wrote:For the No4, what size foresight do you have on the Rifle?
Steve, the current front sight is a +045. I need to get onto the range to see how far out it is but I'm guessing that I will need a +060 or +075. From memory it's about a foot high at 300, I was shooting at ETRs though, I need to be on a gallery range really.
Correctly zero,d you should be about 6" high at 300yds. You probably only need a +060 blade. Of course it is all ammunition dependant
Re: Replacement milsurp iron sights to correct high fall of
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:47 pm
by Charlotte the flyer
I have been using PPU but recently bought some S&B from the Bisley armoury, haven't used any of it yet.
Re: Replacement milsurp iron sights to correct high fall of
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:56 pm
by Sandgroper
Steve E wrote:Sandgroper wrote:I know it depends on the rifle, but what sort of change in POI can I expect if I increase the height of the fore sight by 'x' amount?
If it is a No4/No1/No5 or P14 changing the foresight blade by 0.015'' (as that is the incremental changes) moves the MPI approx 2" at 100yds.
:lol: That would be far too simple! I'm having difficulty with my Destroyer Carbine and Steyr M95/30. The Destroyer I can cope with, but the Steyr has a battle sight marked for 500m which is bit OTT - even for me!
I just wanted figure to give me an idea of how much it moves the MPI,

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Re: Replacement milsurp iron sights to correct high fall of
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:01 pm
by bnz41
I would fire some S&B first before changing the sight blade, my .303 shoots bull high at 300 with reloads/PPU tried some S&B from the armoury shoots a good 12" low in my rifle.
Re: Replacement milsurp iron sights to correct high fall of
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:02 pm
by Charlotte the flyer
bnz41 wrote: my .303 shoots bull high at 300 with reloads/PPU... tried some S&B ... shoots a good 12" low
Wow, I didn't realise that there was such a difference. I guess it pays to stick to a certain brand of ammunition then.
Re: Replacement milsurp iron sights to correct high fall of
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:41 pm
by Dougan
It's totally right about it being ammo dependent; and it affects the windage as well as the elevation - It's taken me a couple of years to get my SMLE and Mauser right for shooting just under a tin-hat target at 200...still need to file a smidge more off the Mauser front sight...
...The zeros are based on one particular load for each rifle (have used the exact same load in the SMLE for 3 years), and are totally different when using any type of factory.
Re: Replacement milsurp iron sights to correct high fall of
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:10 pm
by Alpha1
Yep its no good modifying the sight unless you are going to use consistent ammunition you need to learn to re load my friend.