Sandgroper wrote:
Every since Polchraine (IIRC) first mentioned it, it's slowly grown into a right bugbear for me - I really need to pull my finger out and annoy some MPs about it!
It was ... and I get so annoyed with this especially when I see what I pay for in taxes and never use!
Meaty wrote:When it compares the price of an fac to the price of a fishing licence it is very misleading as it quotes the figure for Migratory fish ie a Salmon fishing licence (£360 for 5 years)! The actual cost of a standard fishing licence ie Non migratory fish and trout is £27.00 pa. (£135.00) http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/ho ... 31497.aspx
More smoke and mirrors from Mr.Marsh
And for Scotland there is no licence requirement.
"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that it's difficult to discern whether or not they are genuine." - Abraham Lincoln
Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
God loves stupid people, that is why he made so many of them.
Mmm, the chief constable of Hampshire believes that it's OK to charge more money because shooters are, by his own admission, "a minority"...?
Personally, I believe this man is lying. This whole episode is purely about money and the police getting more. I'm not saying they don't need it and not just for firearms licensing. The budget cuts in the police have been swathing and ruthless and as the ACPO lead in this area, Marsh has seen the opportunity. But the fact is, shooters receive an appalling service in regards to their licensing and ACPO do spend far too much time meddling. And, in two of the three mass shootings in the UK and several smaller, but high profile incidents, had the police done their job properly in the first place, then perhaps we wouldn't be mentioning the names of towns in hushed tones.
And, it was an ACPO rank, ACC McMurdo of Central Scotland Police, who personally got involved in Hamilton's FAC ensuring he kept it....?!
What else could it be than a most correct assertion that after being knocked back by the government over a fee rise, he started a lobbying and media campaign? Why else would a Chief Constable of a Southern police force appear on North East local TV? Why else has a low level shadow politician contradicted herself and then joined his "campaign"?
You've got under his skin Gaz. There's still plenty of mileage in this, don't let it go off the boil.
Now it's time to trawl t'web and see what else Chief Marsh has been up to in his public life and what else he might have said. I wonder what his boss, the policing and crime commissioner of Hampshire has to say about all of this...?
In 1978 I was told by my grand dad that the secret to rifle accuracy is, a quality bullet, fired down a quality barrel..... How has that changed?
Guns dont kill people. Dads with pretty Daughters do...!
Perhaps all the Ned's should contribute to the cost of dealing with their petty crime and lawlessness? They can sell their. Subaru Imprezas, their 50" flat screen TVs and laptops for each of their screaming kids to pay for their misdemeanors?
It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end!
Sim G wrote:Mmm, the chief constable of Hampshire believes that it's OK to charge more money because shooters are, by his own admission, "a minority"...?
Personally, I believe this man is lying. This whole episode is purely about money and the police getting more. I'm not saying they don't need it and not just for firearms licensing. The budget cuts in the police have been swathing and ruthless and as the ACPO lead in this area, Marsh has seen the opportunity. But the fact is, shooters receive an appalling service in regards to their licensing and ACPO do spend far too much time meddling. And, in two of the three mass shootings in the UK and several smaller, but high profile incidents, had the police done their job properly in the first place, then perhaps we wouldn't be mentioning the names of towns in hushed tones.
And, it was an ACPO rank, ACC McMurdo of Central Scotland Police, who personally got involved in Hamilton's FAC ensuring he kept it....?!
What else could it be than a most correct assertion that after being knocked back by the government over a fee rise, he started a lobbying and media campaign? Why else would a Chief Constable of a Southern police force appear on North East local TV? Why else has a low level shadow politician contradicted herself and then joined his "campaign"?
You've got under his skin Gaz. There's still plenty of mileage in this, don't let it go off the boil.
Now it's time to trawl t'web and see what else Chief Marsh has been up to in his public life and what else he might have said. I wonder what his boss, the policing and crime commissioner of Hampshire has to say about all of this...?
WHAT! A Chief Constable lying! ... shock / horror!
Surely you must be mistaken Sim? These exhalted gentlemen are pillars of the community, truth and justice.
Mezzer wrote:WHAT! A Chief Constable lying! ... shock / horror!
Surely you must be mistaken Sim? These exhalted gentlemen are pillars of the community, truth and justice.
Well, it does seem that senior officers have forgotten their grass roots. At one time, attaining the position of Chief Constable would have been the top of a mans (or womans) career. It seems not any more. At one time, perhaps only the Commisioner of the Met or the Chief Constable of City of London, GMP or RUC would have been knighted, now they all seem to be chasing it!
The political appointment after retirement is more than achievable. Lord Condon? Lord McKenzie? Even Her Majesty's Inspector of CPS, Michael Fuller. I suppose the ivory tower syndrome gets some more than others and what they have to do to stay there.
Little do they realise that they are overseeing a battering of the UK police service by the media and politicians. And they are doing nothing should they scupper their own chances of a golden goose of a job! The average constable is just numb and views the next cut, the next revelation or the next head line with the resignation of a hopeless man. With some 10000 less than three years ago and even if there are another 5000 that are "bent" in one way or another (I reckon less than a 1000), there are still 125000 coppers who go to work everyday giving their all for the public they serve....
I'm starting to rant/ramble/vent, so I'll leave it.
In 1978 I was told by my grand dad that the secret to rifle accuracy is, a quality bullet, fired down a quality barrel..... How has that changed?
Guns dont kill people. Dads with pretty Daughters do...!
I'm not letting this go off the boil. Been busy on the range this weekend, but I'm going to write something else to keep the pressure on the good Mr Marsh and chums. Please keep the suggestions coming in!
You could ask them why Durham and now also Warwickshire & West Mercia police are insisting applicants contact their GP and request a letter to submit to licensing (and pay the GP for the privilege) when submitting an application or renewal for an SGC or FAC when it's already part of the application process that's supposed to be carried out by the police?.
Mmm, the chief constable of Hampshire believes that it's OK to charge more money because shooters are, by his own admission, "a minority"...?
Lots of good words from Sim, and mike - making them sell their bits'n'bobs would be against their "yooman rights" innit.
I wonder if he (Hampshire CC) feels the same way about other "minorities" and how he treats them. The man is biased and clearly unfit for his job with that attitude.
Letting personal bias influence your decisions and opinions is not conducive to good or fair policing. And therein lies the danger of ONE licensing board, get some anti gun nut in charge and we are comprehensively screwed not piecemeal as we are now.
Political Correctness is the language of lies, written by the corrupt , spoken by the inept!
