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kennyc wrote:... if it was mistaken for a fox, then the shot was taken at eyeshine and not at an identifiable target,and on a golf course you don't even have the excuse of protecting livestock, this guy deserves to lose his FAC let alone his permission!

Actually you do.

I play occasionally and there are a couple of courses where there are sheep openly grazing on the fairways.

As I said, we do not have the FULL story.

The 45-year-old property developer, whose three-year-old grandson Alfie often plays in his garden, said he regularly sees gun-toting officials looking for rabbits in the dark on the golf course - apparently to stop them digging up the greens.

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What a TW@T. And of course the Snail will milk this with idiotic emotive phrases and stupid comments.

"Can't tell the difference", the Met will sign him up in no time: a fine career waiting as an Armed Police Officer! Sorry - could not resist it!

Polchraine wrote:The article nicely avoids stating exactly where the dog was though. Was it on the Golf Course or in the owner's garden?

In the garden; then it should be taken further. Running loose on the Golf Course; a different situation.

"Wilma and his other dog Buffy, a 14-year-old Bedlington cross whippet, were in the garden, which is separated by bushes and shrubs from the 14th green and 15th tee of the 18-hole golf course.
Then he heard a ‘muffled crack’."

Reads like it was in the garden to me Shooting at 'eyes' no doubt. Bye, bye permission, bye bye certificate

I notice that only the dog owner used the phrase "cant tell the difference". A more likely situation was that the shooter had no backstop and possibly missed a rabbit and the bullet carried on to hit the dog. Or depending on the round being fired it went straight through the rabbit and the hit the dog.

Just a thought....

Mark

Blackstuff wrote:

Polchraine wrote:The article nicely avoids stating exactly where the dog was though. Was it on the Golf Course or in the owner's garden?

In the garden; then it should be taken further. Running loose on the Golf Course; a different situation.

"Wilma and his other dog Buffy, a 14-year-old Bedlington cross whippet, were in the garden, which is separated by bushes and shrubs from the 14th green and 15th tee of the 18-hole golf course.
Then he heard a ‘muffled crack’."

Reads like it was in the garden to me Shooting at 'eyes' no doubt. Bye, bye permission, bye bye certificate

The article has been edited since it first appeared.

However, in the third paragraph it specifically states: "Four-year-old Wilma was killed just yards from her owner’s garden." Which now answers my initial question - the dog was probably on the Golf Course. And how far is "yards? 5, 10, 100?

safety rule # 4 ... ID your target and what is beyond

Polchraine wrote:

Blackstuff wrote:

Polchraine wrote:The article nicely avoids stating exactly where the dog was though. Was it on the Golf Course or in the owner's garden?

In the garden; then it should be taken further. Running loose on the Golf Course; a different situation.

"Wilma and his other dog Buffy, a 14-year-old Bedlington cross whippet, were in the garden, which is separated by bushes and shrubs from the 14th green and 15th tee of the 18-hole golf course.
Then he heard a ‘muffled crack’."

Reads like it was in the garden to me Shooting at 'eyes' no doubt. Bye, bye permission, bye bye certificate

The article has been edited since it first appeared.

However, in the third paragraph it specifically states: "Four-year-old Wilma was killed just yards from her owner’s garden." Which now answers my initial question - the dog was probably on the Golf Course. And how far is "yards? 5, 10, 100?

sorry, you are making excuses for a situation that neither you or I know the details of, there may be extenuating circumstances and hopefully they will come to light, in the meantime the dog is dead, and if it was on the golf course so what? is that a reason to shoot it? the sheep argument is spurious.

kennyc wrote:sorry, you are making excuses for a situation that neither you or I know the details of, there may be extenuating circumstances and hopefully they will come to light, in the meantime the dog is dead, and if it was on the golf course so what? is that a reason to shoot it? the sheep argument is spurious.

No, I originally raised the point about all of the facts not being known and the full story was not being told. I then corrected the statement about it being "in the garden".

Again, I did not raise the issue of sheep, someone else did and all I did was point out that sheep can be found on golf courses.

Don't need the full story on this one.

Whippet != fox, and != rabbit. Therefore, do not shoot it.

Mistaken identity is sometimes a fair call when out lamping, but this isn't one such situation. I feel for the family concerned.

All that said, I have told a neighbour of mine not to let her dog out alone after dark because she looks like a fox cub - certainly you could legitimately say "I saw the eyes, identified it and shot it." and be completely genuine and correct when saying so. Should be better now as this year's cubs are getting older, but earlier in the year on the stubble, could have really been a problem.

See - that's the problem with journalism, no truth just some spin to sell papers! If journalists wrote the damn TRUTH instead of sensationalising and spinning stories we might get somewhere. if they do not know the facts they should NOT write the story - all this doing is stirring up the anti gun nutters.

Tell it as it IS, not what you would like it to be.