FIRE ARMS LAW

[Sim G]

Just heard today off my tutor than in or within 2 yrs they are going to try and get everyones firearms locked up at gun clubs and not at home? any one heard any news on this? i think it is mental myself???

Your tutor is an idiot. And if the fool would like me to personally reiterate my sentiment and the rationale for my opinion, PM me and I'll give you my phone number so he can call...

And these people are in the vocation of educating people... :cool2:

[HALODIN]

and I thought I was blunt...

I've got to say, it sounds like hearsay from someone who isn't educated in firearms.

Your tutor is an idiot. And if the fool would like me to personally reiterate my sentiment and the rationale for my opinion, PM me and I'll give you my phone number so he can call...

And these people are in the vocation of educating people... :cool2:

[Blackstuff]

If you want to know what the next lot of restrictions on firearms/shooting will be just read the 1973 Green Paper ref: HO 288/156 (based on The McKay report). Every restriction for the last 30 years has come directly from the list in the paper, the government of the day has just had to wait to cash in on the 'right' incident to be able to push it through. See if you can spot the ones already put through and the ones to look out for in the future;

(a) Total prohibition of all self loading rifles and pump action or repeater shotguns.
(b) The creation of a power to prohibit other types of firearms or ammunition by Statutory Instrument.
(c ) Statutory Instrument to define acceptable reasons for possessing a firearm.
(d) An effective ban on all collections of firearms.
(e) Banning of the retention of trophies.
(f) Minor changes to the declaration of and effect of convictions to the grant of a certificate.
(g) Clarification of right of appeal against conditions imposed.
(h) Requirement to notify transfer of firearm to dealer.
(i) Power for police to revoke in cases where the "good reason" given may cease to exist.
(j) Shotguns to be subject to the same controls as Section 1 firearms.
(k) Requirement for numbering all firearms.
(l) Visitor's permits to require sponsorship by UK resident.
(m) Defining of antique firearms so as to exclude all cartridge firing weapons.
(n) All pump-up airguns to be declared specially dangerous.
(o) Safe keeping condition to be applied to shotgun ammunition.
(p) Purchaser of shotgun ammunition to produce certificate.
(q) Special permit for the holding of bulk shotgun ammunition.
(r) Authorisation to be required for small arms nitro compound.
(s) Self igniting airgun ammunition to be subject to Section 1.
(t) Dealers to establish personal suitability and suitability of premises.
(u) Mail order sales of firearms to be banned.
(v) Only full time dealers to be registered.
(w) Dealers to be at least 18.
(x) Dealers to be allowed to keep registers in a form acceptable to the police.
(y) Dealers to retain registers for five years.
(z) Separate registers to be kept for each place of business.
(aa) Dealers exhibiting at fairs to obtain temporary permit.
(ab) Dealers to see certificate before returning repaired gun.
(ac) Conditions regarding security in transit to be imposed on dealers.
(ad) Club approval to be by way of firearm certificate issued by police.
(ae) Exemption for miniature rifle ranges to be restricted to "long rifle" ammunition.
(af) Certificate to be required for shooting galleries.
(ag) Ages at which young people may possess firearms to be raised.
(ah) Ban on imitation and toy firearms likely to be mistaken for real firearms.
(ai) Penalty for possession of shotgun without a certificate to be the same as that for possession Section 1 firearm.
(aj) An amnesty for illegally held firearms to be arranged.

[ovenpaa]

At the risk of being flamed I do agree with some of these...

[raybrown53]

At the risk of being flamed I do agree with some of these...

Which ones in particular?? Surely we need less bureaucracy not more.

[ovenpaa]

Certainly the majority of the points listed regarding RFD's do not seem overly restrictive:

(v) Only full time dealers to be registered.
(w) Dealers to be at least 18.
(x) Dealers to be allowed to keep registers in a form acceptable to the police.
(y) Dealers to retain registers for five years.
(z) Separate registers to be kept for each place of business.
(aa) Dealers exhibiting at fairs to obtain temporary permit.
(ab) Dealers to see certificate before returning repaired gun.

[raybrown53]

Certainly the majority of the points listed regarding RFD's do not seem overly restrictive:

(v) Only full time dealers to be registered.
(w) Dealers to be at least 18.
(x) Dealers to be allowed to keep registers in a form acceptable to the police.
(y) Dealers to retain registers for five years.
(z) Separate registers to be kept for each place of business.
(aa) Dealers exhibiting at fairs to obtain temporary permit.
(ab) Dealers to see certificate before returning repaired gun.

they do seem on the whole reasonable its the preceding ones that concern me... 1 step at a time to a total ban on all air and fire arms.

[LeedsLad]

Hi I'm new hear but a long time lurker. A appreciate that this thread has moved on, but here-say scaremongering bullsh!t really winds me up. Nothings changed since Sept 2011. The OP's tutor is a kn*b end.

Extract from THE GOVERNMENT RESPONSE TO THE THIRD REPORT FROM THE HOME AFFAIRS COMMITTEE -Firearms Control - Sept 2011

http://www.official-documents.gov.uk/do ... 5/8155.pdf


14. We are not convinced that holding weapons at central locations would
necessarily reduce the risk of theft; it could indeed increase the risk of theft.
(Paragraph 94)

Governments Response

Secure storage of firearms is crucial in preventing access by unauthorised persons.
All firearm and shotgun certificates are conditioned to require the holder to store
their guns securely at all times and the police inspect these security arrangements
at the time of grant and renewal. The Home Office has published guidance on the
sort of security measures appropriate in the different circumstances likely to be
encountered. Bearing in mind that firearms are held for a variety of legitimate
purposes other than target shooting at a club (for example, hunting and vermin
control) the Government agrees that it would not be feasible to require all firearms
to be stored in central locations but will continue to monitor the statistics recording
the misappropriation of firearms and any other reliable information on thefts in the
UK.

[dromia]

Welcome!

Why not introduce yourself in the New Members Forum?

[techguy]

Certainly the majority of the points listed regarding RFD's do not seem overly restrictive:

(v) Only full time dealers to be registered.

Don't agree with this one. If you're trying to start a business, you might not be able to just jump in full time from the beginning.