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Re: Shooting and Glasses

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 6:11 pm
by johngarnett
ukrifleman wrote:Before you spend silly money at the opticians, do what I did on the recommendation of a friend in the US and check out Eyepal. Log on to http://www.eyepalusa.com I purchased their product and it took 30 years off my eyesight! I can see the rear sight, fore sight AND the target for the first time in years.
ukrifleman.
Before you all run to EyePal, you can get a similar effect by making a pinhole in insulating tape a finding the correct spot on the lens. It will be in the top, inside corner of lens for righteyed shooters (near bridge of nose). Pound shops, here we come!!

Your choice of tape colour. At least we have that freedom still!

JohnG :cornwall:

Re: Shooting and Glasses

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 6:28 pm
by hitchphil
Extract of article from NRA mag on glasses & shooting below - take this & your prescripion to an optician & they will make up a lens that will fit the bill. As you read you will see a shooting lens is not a reading glass lens

For frames look up fleabay & type in Varga they do basic frames for ~£75. Or as suggested get a circular lens & basic specs then bend them so the lens is planer to the line of sight & you are looking thru the middle of it.

Good luck to the 2nd phase of your shooting career.
ShootingSight
03-24-2010, 11:52 PM
It is not an impossibility for the target and the front sight to be in reasonable focus at the same time, though it takes exact optics. What is needed is for your focal point to be in the right place, and to have sufficient depth of field.

Getting your focus to the right point is done by your eye's lens accomodating to shift focal point, or by adding a lens which shifts focal point. As you get older, you eye loses its accomodation capabilities, so you have to strain the eye muscle more and more to focus at the right spot. In your case, it is likely that your are trying to focus at the strain limit of your eye muscle, and as the muscle tires from repeated supreme exertion, it can't always hold focus to the same spot. This causes varying amounts of blur on the front sight, causing the front post to appear slightly bigger or smaller as the width of the blur line changes, causing vertical stringing.

From an optical physics perspective, you want your eye to focus at the hyperfocal distance of the front sight, which is at 2x the distance from your eye to the front sight. Assume the front sight is 25" from your eye, you want to focus at 50".

To figure out the lens strength you want to shift you there, take 50", convert it to meters 50" = 1.27 meters, then invert the meters figure: 1/1.27 = 0.79 diopters. Always round down to the nearest lens strength, in this case +0.75. If you don't wear distance glasses, this is the theoretical lens power you need. If you do wear glasses, simply add +0.75 to your distance prescription. Note, theoretical values are a good starting point, but don't account for an individual eye, so you might be one step higher or lower.

Next, you want as small an aperture as possible, without going so small the image dims. This small aperture will, just like in photography, give your eye a greater depth of field, so near and far objects are both in focus. You have seen photos of people close to the camera, and mountains in the background, where both are in good focus, despite the fact that it is theoretically impossible. This is done by setting the camera to take a picture with a small lens aperture to give good depth of field. Your rear sight does the same for your eye. The smaller the aperture, the bigger your depth of field, and the better the focus on both the sight and the target.

Net, I recommend the right lens and a small aperture.

How to do it is a question of convenience and money. My favorite is the adjustable diopter rear sight. This has a focussing lens in it, so you can twist the ring, and get the desired balance of focus btween the front sight and the target. A cheaper but less convenient option is to figure out the right lens strength, and just put that one fixed lens in the rear sight or in shooting glasses.

Next step is an adjustable rear aperture. Again, you can get cheaper fixed rear apertures, but as light goes up/down on the range, the adjustability is a nice feature.

I do not recommend colored, or polarized lenses. They rob you of light - a polarized lens blocks up to 70% of transmitted light. Colors block various amounts, depending on the color, but upwards of 30% is likely. In extreme sunlight, this might be acceptable, but if I were willing to give up 30% light, I'd rather make my aperture 30% smaller, and get the improved depth of field.

As to getting both in focus, it depends on your eye. There is a spacing of the photoreceptors in the human eye, and once the blur in an image is smaller than about a receptor diameter, it apperars in perfect focus to your brain. Further focus improvement do not help. Thus, there is a theoretical aperture size where both the front sight and target will be at the detection threshold of focus, and both will be practically in perfect focus. In reality, the image will dim unacceptably before you can get to this point, but the closer you get by getting the right lens power and the right aperture, the better the junction between the post and the target will be.

A different option is to move to a front sight ring, versus a post. While this won't fix your focus issues, at least the front sight and target will have the same amount of blur all the way around, so the blur on one side offsets the blur on the other, and you can still center the target in the sight. This will eliminate your vertical stringing.

Re: Shooting and Glasses

Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 4:45 am
by Oddbod
Sandgroper wrote:At the beginning of May I discovered that I needed glasses. I need them mainly for reading and for the computer but I also have astigmatism that affects my distance vision. :bad: This means I have a single vision pair for reading and a varifocal pair for distance/reading.

After cleaning my rifles and checking the sights I'm at a loss at how I'm going to continue to shoot with some of my rifles?

My best rifle is my G22 with a cheap 2.5x30 IER scope (actually better than before!), followed by my NEF with a Red dot scope and my Winchester with a 4x32 scope. The worst are my milsurps with irons. My 257 and my 223 are ok, but the cross hairs are now slanted and the field of view is oval instead of round. It's worse with my right eye compared to my left - I'm thinking eye relief might be cause/contributor that problem.

My milsurps are my biggest concern as I can either focus on the foresight and loose the target completely (at distance) or I can see the target but cannot focus on the foresight - depending on the glasses I am wearing. At short ranges (25m) I could get by, but it wouldn't be pretty.

I can shoot left or right handed (the G22 is set up LH) as my left eye is my master eye - the image with or without glasses is certainly better from my left eye. Just thinking about it - I have to go back and check my 223 again as it has a variable mag scope and see if the magnification makes a difference.

In the meantime, any suggestions or tips would be appreciated? sign92

Edit: Looks like I'm a LH now! The right eye is the cause of the distortion when looking through scopes. I just needed to adjust my eye relief for the left eye which sorted it - no such luck with the right eye. Still doesn't help with the milsurps. :cool2:
As someone who also suffers from astigmatism, I'm concerned that your prescription might be less than optimal, as the slant & ovalisation are issues that should be corrected, rather than compounded.
I hope you didn't go to Specsavers.
I'm lucky in having an optician who is an SMLE nut.

Re: Shooting and Glasses

Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 7:24 am
by Sandgroper
Thanks for all the advice, very much appreciated.

Re: Shooting and Glasses

Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 7:56 am
by karen
Oddbod wrote: I hope you didn't go to Specsavers.
Er best thing you can do is go to Specsavers in Newbury and ask for an appointment with Gary Alexander

Tel 01635 46105

He sorts lots of shooters out!

love

karen

Re: Shooting and Glasses

Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 8:13 am
by Watcher
I got my most recent lens (for a set of Champion glasses) from Stephen Hing opticians.

http://hingopticians.co.uk/

He was very knowledgeable about shooting and the service was fast. I have an astigmatism in my shooting eye and the lens comes with a small mark on the edge. Scheme is that you turn the lens until a small spot becomes distinct. I use my glasses for all my iron sights including TR, an SMLE and a No. 4 and it certainly helps. If you buy a pair of ordinary cheap glasses you might think about removing the non-shooting lens. Otherwise you might find you can't read your sights or look down your scope!!