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Re: Stolen Firearms and Ammunition
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:54 am
by bobbob
Hauptman wrote:
What precautions do other forum members take when transporting firearms by car and attending places like Bisley?
H/man
If both of us are going, one of us always stays in the vehicle. The only time the vehicle is left would be on Bisley itself. Bolts and ammo always seperate from the rifles.
If Bnz is going alone, things like fuel are done the day before so there is no need to fill up on the way.
Leaving a vehicle with firearms, on show or not, on a public road, is just not done in our opinion.
Re: Stolen Firearms and Ammunition
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:21 pm
by shugie
EagerNoSkill wrote:Precautions I try to implement / maintain
1. Ammo in black carry bag (or 2) not easily seen - placed in front footwell away from stuff in back.
2. Bolt and FAC in the Jacket I would wear anytime I leave the car.
3. Rifle in AIM drag bag - but that and most other stuff in back is covered by open shooting mat and loose jackets
4. If I am not at the car it is locked - key in pocket
A good friend "lost" a March Scope out the back of his van - he was 5 metres away shooting
My goal is simple
- avoid risk of obvious "item" being seen
- limit opportunity to gain access to car
- separate firearm / ammo / bolt / FAC at all times.
Alot of clubs at Bisley have lockers and these are very handy.
Take 5 minutes longer to pack the car but worth it.
EITHER way I dont wont anything taken anyway.
I try and plan not to need to leave my guns unattended in my van, apart from getting fuel/cash/grub at the petrol station occasionally. If I needed to leave them for longer, I'd take the bolt/magazine with me, and perhaps use a cable lock through the trigger guard for my Rossi, which has no easily removable bits. I do make sure nothing is visible through any of the clear windows, the tinted ones are dark enough to keep the contents more or less invisible anyway.
Re: Stolen Firearms and Ammunition
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:59 pm
by Dannywayoflife
I tend to use metal cable locks to secure the rifles to the car. I normally thread them through the action and lock the bolts in the glove box.
Re: Stolen Firearms and Ammunition
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:19 pm
by M99
Recovered apparently and 2 arrested.
Re: Stolen Firearms and Ammunition
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:33 pm
by billgatese30
MiLisCer wrote:Recovered apparently and 2 arrested.
It would appear so
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-20881558
Hope the cretins that took them get severe custodial sentences.
Re: Stolen Firearms and Ammunition
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 4:36 pm
by Mike357
What do folk do when staying away over night with their guns?
Re: Stolen Firearms and Ammunition
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:38 pm
by LeighC
Hmmm either the car was parked and armed for a long time and it was a target of opertunity or...someone had been stalking said owner for a while, all they'd have to do is stake out local shooting clubs and wait for the right moment to strike. If the former...then we have a very incompetant owner...or even more worryingly there are criminals actively targeting owners.
A bit harsh - the car could have only been parked for a few minutes and been the victim of opportunistic theft, doesn't necessarily make the owner incompetent.
Whenever I need to leave stuff in the car, it's always on the back seat, behind privacy glass and covered by mats/coats etc. I wouldn't leave the car unattended for more than a few minutes - only ever for fuel/comfort stops etc.
Re: Stolen Firearms and Ammunition
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:37 pm
by DL.
Some of the attitudes on this thread have surprised and disapponted me, I make careful provision for the security of firearms when I'm transporting them, but I think that saying my way is best is misguided.
Also commenting on someone else's procedures off the back of a vague news article is pretty misinformed, and quick to judge, just for the sake of appearing to be 'holier than thou' a manner which is increasingly getting up my nose on shooting web forums.
Re: Stolen Firearms and Ammunition
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:51 pm
by Jnadreth
LeighC wrote:Hmmm either the car was parked and armed for a long time and it was a target of opertunity or...someone had been stalking said owner for a while, all they'd have to do is stake out local shooting clubs and wait for the right moment to strike. If the former...then we have a very incompetant owner...or even more worryingly there are criminals actively targeting owners.
A bit harsh - the car could have only been parked for a few minutes and been the victim of opportunistic theft, doesn't necessarily make the owner incompetent.
Whenever I need to leave stuff in the car, it's always on the back seat, behind privacy glass and covered by mats/coats etc. I wouldn't leave the car unattended for more than a few minutes - only ever for fuel/comfort stops etc.
It doesnt make the owner incompetant if the car was parked for a few minutes..no your quite right
But its bests to prepare for the worst and hope for the best...articles state that the firearms were in a parked car at 12.50pm on a street but makes no mention of how long they were there. If it was for a few minutes then its a crime of opertunity thats caught this shooter
http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/crim ... -1-5265152
In this day...we have to be very vigilant about firearms security and we cant afford to let that vigilance to slip tesnews
Re: Stolen Firearms and Ammunition
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:19 pm
by Jnadreth
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-20881558
Well that ended the situation....and cost the owner a fair amount of cash :O