A Disarmed Society

[Porcupine]

although I found this on fourten.net (very old site)
e.g. in the UK, Slug and Ball (Buckshot) loaded ammo is classed as 'Section 1' (Firearm) ammo and shotgun barrels must exceed 24".

Slugs are section one. #4, #3, #2, #1, 0, 00, and 000 buck are not section one. 0000 buck is section one, but it is not produced as factory ammo anymore so not very relevant. 00 buck is the standard for anti-personnel use. In English sizes that's SSSG to LG (there is no English equivalent of #4, 00, or 0000). Section 2 ammunition is defined as ammunition containing 5 or more shot, none of which exceed 0.36" in diameter. All of the buckshot sizes apart from 0000 (obsolete as I said) meet this restriction. So yes, you can get rubber ball ammo on an SGC.

Might be fun to play with but unless you're going to keep two guns for self-defence I wouldn't want it loaded. Even then... don't want to get mixed up. Better to keep a gun for killing and something else for not killing, like a baton.

Shotguns on both SGC and FAC can have barrels of 24" in length precisely ("not less than 24 inches in length,"), and if they are held on a FAC and are not semi-auto or pump action they can have a barrel of any length provided it is not less than 12" - overall length must not be less than 24" though. So, of these three, the middle is legal here (on a FAC) because it has a 12" barrel and is 24" in overall length. The bottom one is too short so falls fall of the handgun ban, and the top is a pump gun so it falls foul of the 'assault shotgun' ban (24" barrel minimum) even though it is clear of the handgun ban (12" barrel and 24" overall length minimum).



Lever actions of this length are also fine, as are revolver guns I believe (you'd have to pin the stock open). Now who do I speak to about importing a Street Sweeper?

[Harrier1980]

^^ nice info (and pics).

[Sandgroper]

Lever actions of this length are also fine, as are revolver guns I believe (you'd have to pin the stock open). Now who do I speak to about importing a Street Sweeper?

Revelover shotguns are S5 in the UK as per 1988 Act http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/45/contents

(ad)any smooth-bore revolver gun other than one which is chambered for 9mm. rim-fire cartridges or loaded at the muzzle end of each chamber;

Also FAC Pump and SA shotguns have minimum length of 40 inches

(ac)any self-loading or pump-action smooth-bore gun which is not chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges and either has a barrel less than 24 inches in length or (excluding any detachable, folding, retractable or other movable butt-stock) is less than 40 inches in length overall;

[Porcupine]

Revelover shotguns are S5

Wasn't certain about that, my bad. Of course you could get one with a rifled barrel... Buckshot would keyhole but would be fine with slugs.

[dodgyrog]

My view is,

I would use any and all means at my disposal to protect my self, my family and my property proportionate to the threat presented......

read into that what ever you like

Alan

Here, here

[ovenpaa]

+1

I have always said if they are in the house they have already dealt with two large dogs so they mean business so I would feel justified to use whatever means I felt necessary given these circumstances.

[Chuck]

I've said before that one of the most damaging consequences of gun control (on both gun people and non-gun people) is the mental harm it does; the way it conditions people. For non-gun people guns become alien; the terrifying unknown, coloured by their inevitably negative portrayal in the media. And with gun control in place the only thing they ever hear about real guns is how bad they are; the murders and the suicides and the accidents. With gun control they never hear about anyone defending themselves with a gun because it never happens.

For gun people, guns become such an object of control and reverence that they are imagined to be something they are not, treated like atom bombs that might explode at any moment, and with so much gratitude to our masters... "I'm responsible enough to own a gun, I went through all this trouble to get a license and I've had so many years of experience, but these normal people could never be trusted, there'd be blood in the streets." Even gun owners seem to become scared of their guns' shadows. Scared of putting a gun in a holster as if it might devour their leg, of pointing it down range with more than ten degrees elevation as if it might go off and destroy the international space station. Start to believe that it's actually a bad thing not to lock your guns away like a good little slave child. Absolute Class Post this paragraph, the bit about holsters and pointing made me laugh :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't see how being able to defend one's self could have made the riots worse. That hasn't been the case with unrest in the US (LA Riots especially, and also Katrina) where armed store and home owners have successfully defended themselves and kept rioters or looters away.

True though, amazing how many people have issues shooting on a hot range and carrying a holstered and loaded (round chambered, hammer down) gun on a range. Don't play with the trigger and it won't go BANG!

[Sandgroper]

This thread reminded me of this site - http://www.assaultweaponwatch.com/

Apparently, they're still waiting for them to leap up and start shooting by themselves!

We need you. Due to our limited budget and staffing, we are not available to monitor these assault weapons around the clock. We depend on you, our supporters, to help us maintain our vigil with the assistance of our webcam. Helping is easy - you simply need to load this page regularly. Bookmark it. Make it your browser's default page. Check it every night after you tuck your children in. It's their lives your assistance might save.

You could be the one that spots the assault weapon violence.

[judders]

This thread reminded me of this site - http://www.assaultweaponwatch.com/

Apparently, they're still waiting for them to leap up and start shooting by themselves!

We need you. Due to our limited budget and staffing, we are not available to monitor these assault weapons around the clock. We depend on you, our supporters, to help us maintain our vigil with the assistance of our webcam. Helping is easy - you simply need to load this page regularly. Bookmark it. Make it your browser's default page. Check it every night after you tuck your children in. It's their lives your assistance might save.

You could be the one that spots the assault weapon violence.

WTF :G

Is that site just a scam to generate money from the ad?

[Sandgroper]

http://www.leftist.org/haightspeech/archives/271.html

These guys reportedly got wind of the whole “assault weapons cause crime” thing, and decided that since these guns are so dangerous, clearly they need to be watched around the clock. Literally. With a live web cam. Just in case they do, you know, spontaneously try to kill someone.

It was apparently sent up shortly after the 1994 Assault weapon ban to show that banning a specific type of firearm wasn't going to change anything. Now that the ban has been lifted they seem to be using it to make money and why not?