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 Post subject: More Gun Thefts .
PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:34 am 
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Details at the moment are a bit unclear .
But it seems a shotgun shooter was followed home and on his arrival was threatened by at least
two men , one armed with an chain saw that was active .
They took his shotgun/s and drove off .

The robbery took place close to the Merseyside / Greater Manchester border .


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 Post subject: Re: More Gun Thefts .
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How much do you want to bet the media will tell us how many legally held guns there are in the area as part of their report...


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 Post subject: Re: More Gun Thefts .
PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:42 pm 
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One, or a few, less now.

OOI, if he'd been able to load one, where would he stand, legally, with using it? At first glance it does seem like reasonable and proportionate force to use against someone armed with an active chainsaw in order to prevent a serious crime.

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 Post subject: Re: More Gun Thefts .
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His defence is; it was what he thought at the time to be the minimum force necessary to stop them hurting him.

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 Post subject: Re: More Gun Thefts .
PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:09 am 
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Minimum is not a word used in instances of self defence. "Reasonable" and "necessary" are the key. Self defence law mainly revolves around Common Law, s3 Criminal Law Act 1967 and s76 Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008. There is also a plethora of case law that covers no need to retreat and preemptive self defence is lawful.

Threatened with an operational chain saw?! FFS!

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 Post subject: Re: More Gun Thefts .
PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:36 am 
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Mattnall wrote:
His defence is; it was what he thought at the time to be the minimum force necessary to stop them hurting him.


You never want to get into degrees of force like that - it's inviting grief from the prosecution and confuses juries were it to go that far. As Sim says 'reasonable' and 'necessary'.

A chainsaw? Bloody nasty but an unreliable weapon if my old beater is anything to go by - much cursing and sweatiness to get the bugger going from cold.


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 Post subject: Re: More Gun Thefts .
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I assume that "a chain saw that was active" means they'd got it started - probably a nice new one they'd nicked. Or a decent battery one - I wouldn't want to argue.

But in the realms of fantasy: "You want my shotgun? It's an AA-12 - let me demonstrate it for you..."

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This story itself sounds suspiciously like the realms of fantasy.............

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 Post subject: Re: More Gun Thefts .
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Pete wrote:
This story itself sounds suspiciously like the realms of fantasy.............

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Typical 8-)


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During my days as a young man on the estate you weren't allowed to use a chain saw if you had steel toe-capped boots on on case you blunted the chain.

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