New laws coming?

[Ginger]

At the bottom of this HO page:

"it prohibits high energy and rapid firing rifles and a device known as a “bump stock” which increases the rate of fire of rifles and provides for compensation of owners."
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/gove ... s-violence

And this :

Prohibition of certain firearms:

Legislative measures will amend section 5 of the Firearms Act 1968 to include "any rifle from which a shot, bullet or other missile, with kinetic energy of more than 13,600 joules at the muzzle of the weapon, can be discharged;" and "any rifle with a chamber from which empty cartridge cases are extracted using- (i) energy from propellant gas, or (ii) energy imparted to a spring or other energy storage device by propellant gas, other than a weapon which is chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges;"

The purpose of firearms legislation is to reduce the risk that firearms can be used in criminal activity. Those working within law enforcement have raised concern that the weapons, to be inserted under section 5, have the potential to cause significant damage if they were to get into the hands of terrorists, criminals or an individual seeking to commit a major shooting atrocity.

Following the public consultation, concern was raised on the potential impact that banning rapid firing rifles such as the VZ58 Manually Actuated Release System (MARS) rifle could have on disabled shooters. Respondents outlined that some disabled shooters rely of this weapon to participate in the activity of shooting and that the banning of this particular firearm could have some impact on their ability to do so. However, no evidence was produced on how or why they would adversely effect disabled shooters, for example, that these are the only types of weapons they can use, nor what forms of disability would rely on this weapon. Therefore we do not anticipate any differential impact from this proposal.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... tement.pdf

[JSC]

So now at least they have defined what they are proposing to do which means we know what we're fighting to protect.

Now the Bill has been announced, you can follow the progress through Parliament here:

https://services.parliament.uk/Bills/20 ... apons.html

As you can see, there's a long way to go before it becomes law. It is not a 'done deal'!

[phaedra1106]

Sorry, posted on wrong forum!

[shugie]

Any Lords in favour of shooting who might be persuaded to amend that part?

[Airbrush]

Any Lords in favour of shooting who might be persuaded to amend that part?

[The Lord Flashheart]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... tement.pdf

Paragraph 44 onward for conclusions on 50 cal and MARS rifles.

Reading through I could almost hear Sir Humphrey's influence on the wording on why exactly these things need banning...

[Daryll]

"However, no evidence was produced on how or why they would adversely effect disabled shooters, for example, that these are the only types of weapons they can use, nor what forms of disability would rely on this weapon. Therefore we do not anticipate any differential impact from this proposal. "

No evidence that these weapons have been, or could be, used for criminal activity either..!

[bradaz11]

"any rifle with a chamber from which empty cartridge cases are extracted using- (i) energy from propellant gas, or (ii) energy imparted to a spring or other energy storage device by propellant gas, other than a weapon which is chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges;"

so this leaves lever release alone doesn't it? as the energy imparted onto the spring is via the brass, in recoil / physics, rather than imparted onto it by the actual gas, unlike in the MARS which uses a gas piston

[Airbrush]

"any rifle with a chamber from which empty cartridge cases are extracted using- (i) energy from propellant gas, or (ii) energy imparted to a spring or other energy storage device by propellant gas, other than a weapon which is chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges;"

so this leaves lever release alone doesn't it? as the energy imparted onto the spring is via the brass, in recoil / physics, rather than imparted onto it by the actual gas, unlike in the MARS which uses a gas piston

.223 LR is gas piston operated.

[A.J.P.]

"any rifle with a chamber from which empty cartridge cases are extracted using- (i) energy from propellant gas, or (ii) energy imparted to a spring or other energy storage device by propellant gas, other than a weapon which is chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges;"

so this leaves lever release alone doesn't it? as the energy imparted onto the spring is via the brass, in recoil / physics, rather than imparted onto it by the actual gas, unlike in the MARS which uses a gas piston

I'm afraid not. It's a relatively decently worded catch-all piece of proposed legislation and will affect the blowback PCC SGC, the 223/308 SGC and the CCA MARS.