European Commission bans: AR15/AK47 rifles and magazines

[Gazza]

Lots of stuff at member states discretion ??? are we a member state?
AR Rimmys exempt from what I can gather?
Restrictions on centrefire mags only?
If this is not made clearer then how are the licencing offices going to interpret all this?
Do these idiots know what they are fecking doing

[Sixshot6]

Lots of stuff at member states discretion ??? are we a member state?
AR Rimmys exempt from what I can gather?
Restrictions on centrefire mags only?
If this is not made clearer then how are the licencing offices going to interpret all this?
Do these idiots know what they are fecking doing

My reading of centrefire mags is in relation to the New Cat A7 which are centrefire semi only? If so, we have no centrefire semi's that are for legal use here.

[Gazza]

The AR rimmy mags are 25 round so are they banned as the rifles are over 60cm?

[Sixshot6]

The AR rimmy mags are 25 round so are they banned as the rifles are over 60cm?

The letter from Vicky Ford seemed to imply rimfire is fully exempt anyway. I'm still wondering where this leaves centrefire owners? It only mention's authorization for acquisition, not for possession. So current possession should be ok, but only a problem when needing to buy new 10+ for centrefire, once more it's the fact that it seems mainly aimed that semi autos (which we don't have) that is the issue.

[Blackstuff]

I can see a US style panic buying spree on magazines kicking off now on mainland Europe

[Sim G]

I once watched a German review of a Schimesser short barrelled AR15, with all the bells and whistles! Came to the shooting part of the video and there was nothing more stupid that watching him have to reload after two rounds..... that's the current German mag capacity for semi rifles allegedly!

[Sixshot6]

I once watched a German review of a Schimesser short barrelled AR15, with all the bells and whistles! Came to the shooting part of the video and there was nothing more stupid that watching him have to reload after two rounds..... that's the current German mag capacity for semi rifles allegedly!

Those are hunting regs, semi mag cap for semis during hunting there is 2 +1, none for manuals so the Troy pump ar is sold there, also comp shooting limits semi long guns to ten but weirdly in your spare time normal club shooting is unlimited. So mags are sold the same but what you do determines capacity. I bet ipsc shooters have to change shooting style when doing home comps. Also German law says a 223 ak is fine but not a 7.62x39 one, weird.

[Sim G]

And simply illustrates how complicated, fudged and utterly pointless legislation is around something like a magazine, but then that's the Europeans for you...

[joe]

Here is interest info on how this stupid communist directive is unforcable
http://firearms-united.com/2016/07/13/no-hc-mag-ban/

[Dark Skies]

The important thing is for the Commission is 'SOMETHING MUST BE DONE' or rather something must be seen to be done. Obviously nothing can be done about terrorism - Europe's borders are too porous and we've imported too many of their sympathizers to do anything about that. But what we can do is assuage criticism from EU citizens by sacrificing a relatively few innocents and giving the illusion of safety.

Once all these pointless measures are in place I'm curious as to how they will manage to explain away the next terrorist atrocity. It will surely become increasingly difficult to blame a small section of honest law-abiding citizens.

As Jean-Claude Juncker puts it so aptly "When it gets serious you have to lie."

The man's integrity is beyond reproach, surely?

"We decide on something, leave it lying around and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back."

And if the vote doesn't go his way ...

"If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue.”

And he absolutely denies being an alcoholic. He walks funny because of a car accident - and not because of his frequently boozy lunches.