Ken Clarke to clarify self defense law ???

[Sim G]

Remember, what ever fore used, "reasonable" will always be subjective. However, "justified" is objective. Whilst making your "plan" for a SHTF scenario, ensure you are conversant with the law....

[ovenpaa]

So can we assume a double tap to the forehead is not 'reasonable' ?

[swampy]

So can we assume a double tap to the forehead is not 'reasonable' ?

it might be reasonable.

offender is in your house, armed with a weapon capable of lethal force... a knife etc. you challenge him.. if you have time. he comes towards you threatenning.

a double tap to the forehead is reasonable and justified.

offender is in your house, threatening famiy member with a knife. you are to his side. you think that your child will be seriously harmed.

a double tap to the head is reasonable and justified.

offender is in your house, has your laptop in his hand, you challenge him he says "f*** you, I am out of here" and tries to make good his escape. no immediate threat to your life.

double tap = showers at the scrubs.

offender has been in your room. threatenned to kill you and your wife at knife point... then backs out of the room and runs down the hallway,

double tap = showers at the scrubs.

we don't really need this law. we already have it in common law.

What we do need is the bail disaster sorted out... all the people currently on police bail for any offence. including serious assaults... rapes.... manslaughter have been released from bail. this is a real disaster for us all. it must be the most perverse judgement ever

swampy

[Sim G]

So can we assume a double tap to the forehead is not 'reasonable' ?

Without doubt!

[Steve]

So can we assume a double tap to the forehead is not 'reasonable' ?

eh?

[pe4king]

So can we assume a double tap to the forehead is not 'reasonable' ?

Without doubt!

centre of mass then ?.

[barney57]

So can we assume a double tap to the forehead is not 'reasonable' ?

it might be reasonable.

offender is in your house, armed with a weapon capable of lethal force... a knife etc. you challenge him.. if you have time. he comes towards you threatenning.

a double tap to the forehead is reasonable and justified.

offender is in your house, threatening famiy member with a knife. you are to his side. you think that your child will be seriously harmed.

a double tap to the head is reasonable and justified.

offender is in your house, has your laptop in his hand, you challenge him he says "f*** you, I am out of here" and tries to make good his escape. no immediate threat to your life.

double tap = showers at the scrubs.

offender has been in your room. threatenned to kill you and your wife at knife point... then backs out of the room and runs down the hallway,

double tap = showers at the scrubs.

we don't really need this law. we already have it in common law.

What we do need is the bail disaster sorted out... all the people currently on police bail for any offence. including serious assaults... rapes.... manslaughter have been released from bail. this is a real disaster for us all. it must be the most perverse judgement ever

swampy

Spot on!!

[Dougan]

So can we assume a double tap to the forehead is not 'reasonable' ?

eh?

Brilliant :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Sim G]

So can we assume a double tap to the forehead is not 'reasonable' ?

Without doubt!

centre of mass then ?.

Give that man a cigar!

Centermass....... then Mozambique!

[Porcupine]

I think the problem is not so much that legitimate self-defence lands you in jail in this country - I have never heard of this happening. The problem is that if you do maim or kill an intruder (or an attacker outside the home) you will most likely be arrested and possibly put on trial. Trials are expensive, time consuming, and emotionally destructive. As is being arrested! And an arrest can really wreck someone's life - if you want to emigrate to some countries you must declare all arrests, not just convictions. "Arrested for murder" is not going to look good on a green card application!

Clearly a trial is sometimes necessary because the facts are genuinely and seriously in doubt. But it seems to me that the police should not be so quick to jump to arresting the apparent would-be victim. In the USA, certainly sometimes would-be victims are arrested or even tried. But when the circumstances point fairly clearly to a good shoot, they are at best congratulated by the cops and at worst left alone.