Transporting Ammo to the Range

[bigfathairybiker]

So the loaded airgun mag has to be in the gun to be prohibited.
If the mag is loaded but is not in the gun then it is ok.
Thanks for clarifying that. It is exactly what most of us have been saying all along.

And as joe just quoted applies to someone without a firearm cert or shotgun cert or other good reason.

So to sum it all up:
Have a firearm licence... you can transport loaded mags
Have a shotgun licence.... you can transport loaded mags
Have a good reason... you can transport loaded air rifle mags...

Mark

[hobbesy]

Here is one for anyone who doesn't carry their licence with them.

47 Powers of constables to stop and search.

(1)A constable may require any person whom he has reasonable cause to suspect—

(a)of having a firearm, with or without ammunition, with him in a public place; or

(b)to be committing or about to commit, elsewhere than in a public place, an offence relevant for the purposes of this section,

to hand over the firearm or any ammunition for examination by the constable.
(2)It is an offence for a person having a firearm or ammunition with him to fail to hand it over when required to do so by a constable under subsection (1) of this section.

48 Production of certificates.

(1)A constable may demand, from any person whom he believes to be in possession of a firearm or ammunition to which section 1 of this Act applies, or of a shot gun, the production of his firearm certificate or, as the case may be, his shot gun certificate.

[bigfathairybiker]

Think this is the wrong thread!!!

[ColinR]

I was always taught not to keep magazines loaded for any amount of time as it will eventually weaken the springs. Consequently I never load magazines until I am at the range and ready to shoot. It does make sense that a loaded magazine, even when kept separately from the firearm makes that firearm more imminently usable and should therefore be considered as a reducing factor in ultimate security when a firearm and ammunition are being transported.

[joe]

So the loaded airgun mag has to be in the gun to be prohibited.
If the mag is loaded but is not in the gun then it is ok.
Thanks for clarifying that. It is exactly what most of us have been saying all along.

And as joe just quoted applies to someone without a firearm cert or shotgun cert or other good reason.

So to sum it all up:
Have a firearm licence... you can transport loaded mags
Have a shotgun licence.... you can transport loaded mags
Have a good reason... you can transport loaded air rifle mags...

Mark

You are miss reading it ! Section 19 makes no regard wheather an air weapon is loaded or not offence is committed if you don't have reason to have it in a public place! Best practice is not carry it loaded though, loaded mags are ok

As for shotguns it has be loaded to complete the offence - (an unloaded shotgun in a public place appears to 'legal' regardless of good reason )

Firearms loaded or not and with suitable ammo must have good reason ( again "together with suitable ammunition" appears to be necessary for an offence to be completed )

[Polchraine]

[quote="HH1"

22.16 Section 57(6) of the 1968 Act includes a definition of “loaded” in relation to shotguns
and air weapons. An air weapon is to be treated as loaded if there is ammunition in the chamber or barrel or in any magazine or other device which is in such a position that the ammunition can be fed into the chamber or barrel by the manual or automatic operation of some part of the gun or weapon.

[/quote]

That suggests that an Air Rifle magazine can be loaded - if it is in your pocket or holdall and no offence is committed as the ammunition cannot be fed into the chamber. It could even be in a pouch on the stock.

[HH1]

[quote="HH1"

22.16 Section 57(6) of the 1968 Act includes a definition of “loaded” in relation to shotguns
and air weapons. An air weapon is to be treated as loaded if there is ammunition in the chamber or barrel or in any magazine or other device which is in such a position that the ammunition can be fed into the chamber or barrel by the manual or automatic operation of some part of the gun or weapon.

That suggests that an Air Rifle magazine can be loaded - if it is in your pocket or holdall and no offence is committed as the ammunition cannot be fed into the chamber. It could even be in a pouch on the stock.[/quote]

Ok, I understand that.... I still don't think it is a good idea to be carting loaded mags around....

[Polchraine]

Ok, I understand that.... I still don't think it is a good idea to be carting loaded mags around....

Two or three magazines preloaded with 10 pellets are a lot easier and quieter than a tin of pellets. Also, trying to load an air rifle magazine in the dark is not easy, pellets are small and fiddly and can be inserted back to front!

[HH1]

Ok, I understand that.... I still don't think it is a good idea to be carting loaded mags around....

Two or three magazines preloaded with 10 pellets are a lot easier and quieter than a tin of pellets. Also, trying to load an air rifle magazine in the dark is not easy, pellets are small and fiddly and can be inserted back to front!

That is what my Dad used to do..... before he read the warning in the Airgun Magazine

I know air gun pellets are fiddly.... I've been loading air guns for well over 4 decades....

[Maggot]

God, when is this going to die?

IF you are in any doubt about the legality of your actions, ask the FEO and ideally get the answer in writing. Opinion or interpretation by a member of the forum wont stand you well in a court of law.

Looking at the airgun mag situation, an old (now retired) FEO stated that this was aimed at those magazines that were fitted and could not be removed (thus as above allowing a pellet to be fed), like one of the Loguns.

In essence, with a magazine fitted the rifle is loaded (if not ready) so your only defence would be that the fixed mag was empty. Funilly enough, and air rifle (particularly a mag fed PCP) is one of the easiest "Tools" to have an accident with as the chambers cannot easily be checked and many cock on opening.

I always load my AR Mags before a comp, often the night before, in order to offset the "Christ its early" factor. They also have coloured bands that tell he which have 5 in or have 10+2.