British gun laws - Make your comments people

[GeeRam]

The sticking point seems to be hand guns and semi-auto full-bore rifles.

I don't see 9mm pistols and AR15s as being recreational firearms - I fully accept this might just me having a biased view. I used to own a Berretta 92 and would again if the law allowed so I can't be that biased.

If you list the types of firearms that are legal in the UK it's a long list with plenty of choice.

I don't go with the "if we are deemed responsible and fit to own firearms then why not allow us to have handguns and semi-auto rifles" as that can then be extended to fully auto, which can then be extended to grenades and so on.

As far as the "you can own a .55" Boys anti-tank rifle but not a 9mm handgun! " I think you'd be hard pushed to walk into a bank with a concealed an anti-tank rifle.

I'm not saying I'm right about where the line is drawn and maybe I'm only happy because my discipline (F class / FTR) is on the good side of the line. I respect the opinion of these who disagree. The thread asked for my comments so here they are.

Just about everything that is wrong with the attitude of a large part of British shooters is here in this post. As much as it appears "reasonable", it is discriminatory, selfish, sensationalising and appeasing and entrenched solidly with an "I'm alright, Jack" cornerstone...

I couldn't agree more Sim

Same for me...... this holier than thou attitude taken by some sections within our 'own' sport to other disciplines is frankly nauseating......as well as depressing, and to me, unfathomable.

[lapua338]

Same for me...... this holier than thou attitude taken by some sections within our 'own' sport to other disciplines is frankly nauseating......as well as depressing, and to me, unfathomable.

I agree. I find their attitudes and opinions quite incomprehensible (and dangerous).

I couldn't help but notice there's an inordinate number of worthless inadequates in the UK shooting community. My friends have much more unpleasant terms for them which would not be welcome on a public forum.

[dromia]

Argue the case but don't get personal on here.

[pbrazendale]

As someone who is new to shooting but always had an interest in guns and shooting in general, I find our laws slightly strange, I'll explain my thoughts:

1) we don't seem to be aligned with our European counterparts.

2) we can have a straight pull or lever release fullbore rifle but not a semi automatic.

3) you can have a pistol provided it has a stock and a lengthy barrel which in my opinion doesn't appeal.

I believe the overall process of getting a FAC and storing guns securely is all correct, I have no issues in being checked or having to submit my medical records, I just wish we could shoot pistols and semi auto centre fire rifles, I don't see the big issue with doing that provided the legislation is there.


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[Pete]

Were we ever allowed to have full auto? I had a 9mm Browning Hi-Power in the dear dead days (70's) which, with a bit of fettling, could be made to let the whole clip go, (allegedly)..................where it would go is another matter.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what's in your cupboard, it's what you do with it................if you can have a 22LR semi, why not a 223/308?

They're all capable of carnage in the wrong hands, as is a car/motorbike/aeroplane/carving knife/sledgehammer/rottweiler/frying pan, I could go on..............

Pete

[poll007]

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what's in your cupboard, it's what you do with it................if you can have a 22LR semi, why not a 223/308?

the thing about this that gets me is that people claim the reasoning is that calibers other than .22 are "more lethal" yet i can also have a semi auto, box magazine fed shotgun firing rifled slugs.

[pbrazendale]

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what's in your cupboard, it's what you do with it................if you can have a 22LR semi, why not a 223/308?

the thing about this that gets me is that people claim the reasoning is that calibers other than .22 are "more lethal" yet i can also have a semi auto, box magazine fed shotgun firing rifled slugs.

Couldn't agree more, I think it's ludicrous I really would welcome a debate in parliament on this issue, I think some people in our government need education and we want to see change.


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[25Pdr]

As someone who is new to shooting but always had an interest in guns and shooting in general, I find our laws slightly strange, I'll explain my thoughts:

1) we don't seem to be aligned with our European counterparts.

2) we can have a straight pull or lever release fullbore rifle but not a semi automatic.

3) you can have a pistol provided it has a stock and a lengthy barrel which in my opinion doesn't appeal.

I believe the overall process of getting a FAC and storing guns securely is all correct, I have no issues in being checked or having to submit my medical records, I just wish we could shoot pistols and semi auto centre fire rifles, I don't see the big issue with doing that provided the legislation is there.


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Sad isn't it? Especially for the thousands of people like myself who had complete gun collections confiscated because of the actions of a couple of mad men.

Our enemies at the time were the media and the Politicians who seen a few extra votes by sacrificing the shooting community.

The confiscation was enabled because we all complied and registered our guns, which is the main reason that the Americans are resisting gun control/registration, they see what happened to the UK and Australia and realize they will be next.

What can we do about it? We could start by refusing to feed the people who use us as cannon fodder, i,e, Newspapers and TV media especially the BBC and Rupert Murdoch,stop giving them money!

Try and vote for gun friendly Politicians And buy as many guns as you can justify even if you never intend to shoot them. A large Shotgun collection can be amassed quite cheaply (I've got about 14 razz ) makes it all the harder to enact a future ban / confiscation.

Get right in there with reloading, you never know they might introduce a ammo limit again. A lot of people don't know but there was a time when our FACs limited us to a maximum amount of ammo to be purchased over a three year period.

BTW My dealer tells me it is quite legal to give primers away free of charge.

A final recommendation for re loading, get a big roll of sticky labels and label everything, especially decanted powder.

[phaedra1106]

Sad isn't it? Especially for the thousands of people like myself who had complete gun collections confiscated because of the actions of a couple of mad men.

In reality it was because of the failings of the Police to act given they were repeatedly informed about the unsuitability of the people concerned (and in Hamiltons case intervention from his political "acquaintances").

[Blackstuff]

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what's in your cupboard, it's what you do with it................if you can have a 22LR semi, why not a 223/308?

the thing about this that gets me is that people claim the reasoning is that calibers other than .22 are "more lethal" yet i can also have a semi auto, box magazine fed shotgun firing rifled slugs.

Couldn't agree more, I think it's ludicrous I really would welcome a debate in parliament on this issue, I think some people in our government need education and we want to see change.

Do you think the outcome of that discussion would be;

A/ Oh how silly we've been, lets put full-bore rifles back into Section 1 of the firearms act OR

B/ Holy sh*t, look at that weapon of mass destruction, how the hell did we not know about this, lets ban them immediately