AR Platform

[safetyfirst]

Please try and ignore our black powder obsessed friend, he's stuck in the forums past and is not aware that people can exhibit different behaviours and markets can exhibit different products.

One day, someone will build him a .50 muzzle loading upper.

In the meantime, your choice has gone from the old guard of SGC Bradley Arms and Lanner Tactical and there are probably 20+ models out there now and that's just in .223. Plus there are new things due from Lantac, (my personal favourite) and I've heard good things about the Low Mill Ranges AR builds, especially if you're willing to change calibre.

I saw tiny little gun shops at the shooting show exhibiting straight pull builds I've never seen before, schmeisser, double star, Adams arms, patriot ordnance, noveske, all sorts.

They're great rifles, great to shoot, great to maintain, easy to clean, easy to upgrade, cheap to tinker with.

Truly a modern rifle, it's a shame we can't have them self loading but the AR platform encompasses semi auto, fully auto, turn bolt action, straight pull bolt, gas operated, blowback operated and sandwich operated (uk) and has been chambered in more calibres than probably any other rifle in history.

An AR pattern rifle, no matter the calibre or method of operation, isn't pretending to be anything.

The same cannot be said of some of the people I've seen shooting them but that's a different story!

Great rifles to own, but beware, it's a gateway drug to more AR rifles. :)

[HH1]

There are several choices in .223, either straight pull or lever release and the Southern Gun Company make both. I love my 9mm SGC lever release. Great for target shooting but @ 9 ½ lbs scoped it might be a tad heavy for CSR.

[froggy]

Of course full-bore AK, SVD and AR held in the UK are not "real". I thought everybody here was all too aware of the UK legislation ? The same way, just in case, that LBP & LBR are not actually "real hand-guns" ...
Anyway, thanks very much for reminding everybody about it Dromia. Without your precious help, poor naive Godfather would still be calculating how he was going to fund the ammo consumption for his greedy full-auto M4.

[HH1]

I am just correcting the appellation, they are not ARs but single shot, straight pull AR loookalikes .

And this is what a certain Mr Yardley doesn't seen to grasp..... they are no more dangerous than an old Lee Enfield in skilled hands.
We have gone through exactly the same police and medical checks as his tweed wearing gang!

[Airbrush]

No one is knocking the OP or his post.

However history on here has shown that pretendy AR discussions break down into factionalised, childish "my gun is better that your gun" pishing matches with bad blood. Pretendy ARs just brings out the worst in some people.

It seems to be the nature of pretendy ARs that they attract such owners.

Also there is nothing wrong in doing a search and seeing what has gone before, it is a sensible approach to any subject and can help with more informed questioning.

If we didn't want another pretendy AR discussion then the thread would have been locked.

But we do want one that doesn't degenerate onto the usual pretendy AR conflict and arrogance that some pretendy AR owner/makers members/exmembers seem to wish to pursue.

Trying out guns is still the best way of making a decision in my opinion, if you are happy buying blind with only internet advice then good luck to you.

I am not making fun of pretendy ARs and I have nothing against them. I am just correcting the appellation, they are not ARs but single shot, straight pull AR loookalikes and to call them ARs is disingenuous to my mind.

I have shot a few of them and found them to be well assembled guns but not something I would spend money on myself, now I would have a real one in a heart beat if I could again. If people like their pretendy guns then good luck to them, nowhere have I ever said not to buy a gun because of its type and have never suggested that people should not buy pretendy ARs.

My posts are about the type of opinions and grief that historically pretendy AR discussions have fallen into between owners/makers, not about the guns themselves, that pretendy AR factionalism is the real reflection of the divisiveness that has put UK shooting into this undoubted "mess".

YAWN.

[Ginger]

Pretendy AR alert!

Pretendy AR alert!

Pretendy AR alert!

Move to the shelters now!


There are reams on this subject here and one or two of those posts are of interest and some are also polite so I suggest that you do a search.

Also as has been said what is your question??

Hello Dromia,

This link might help you as you seem to be confused as what an AR is as there is nothing on the web regarding Pretendy AR's, is this your own custom build?

Quote from the link below, "Chamberings include .22, .223 (5.56 x 45mm), 6.8 SPC, .308, .450 Bushmaster and about a dozen others. Upper receivers for pistol calibers such as 9 mm, .40, and .45 are available. There are even .410 shotgun versions."

http://www.nssf.org/msr/facts.cfm

[Maggot]

Buy WTF you like (Is that you Marco?)










But my Bradley still outshoots a lot of more appropriate rifles, unsupported, at 600

[joe]

I am just correcting the appellation, they are not ARs but single shot, straight pull AR loookalikes .

And this is what a certain Mr Yardley doesn't seen to grasp..... they are no more dangerous than an old Lee Enfield in skilled hands.
We have gone through exactly the same police and medical checks as his tweed wearing gang!

self loading ARs are not any more dangerous then other type of firearm either

[phaedra1106]

self loading ARs are not any more dangerous then other type of firearm either

No firearm is dangerous in itself, it's like everything else out there, it only becomes dangerous when someone uses it that way. Same thing is true of knives, forks, spoons, cars, bikes, bouncy castles and any other inanimate object.

[Zilberbak]

Surely then it would be appropriate to have an AR section so those that wish to discuss the ins and outs of this "divisive" type of firearm can warble on to their hearts content (count me in) without having it "trashed" because someone as got a certain view.

Only having relatively recently embraced all things with a trigger (last 8 years) it is disparaging to have most of my firearms classified as "pretendy" when our laws only allow straight pull versions. I would love to have had the chance of owning and shooting fully fledged AR's, VZ's, AK's and the ilk but alas no too late for me so have a little respect for newbies who ask questions like "what's the best AR".

Others might be bored with it but the newby isn't because they are just getting in to it, it is just the thing to put new people off shooting when they get told to look at the old stuff and you are not allowed to talk about it.

As cited before in the forum we are where we are because the shotgunners don't support the airgunners who don't support black powder shooters who don't support the stalkers who don't support the target shooters who don't support the ARer's (poetic license).

If it's on my FAC it is not a "pretendy"!