Importing

[Chapuis]

For the sake of discussion only I've noticed that the 1868 gun barrel proof Act makes interesting reading not just because of the wording which appears old world when read today but also because of the constant reference to England only. The 1978 Act/amendment mentions adding Scotland and Northern Ireland to the 1868 Act but what happened to Wales, has that been overlooked or have I missed something when speed reading?

[Sixshot6]

For the sake of discussion only I've noticed that the 1868 gun barrel proof Act makes interesting reading not just because of the wording which appears old world when read today but also because of the constant reference to England only. The 1978 Act/amendment mentions adding Scotland and Northern Ireland to the 1868 Act but what happened to Wales, has that been overlooked or have I missed something when speed reading?

Wales is a principality and has been part of England in legal terms since the 1500's. It is not a kingdom like Scotland and Ireland were. It is a principality, that is why it is not referenced on the Union Jack (despite what Google says, but then again they sometimes bring up pre joining of Alaska and Hawaii era Stars and stripes with only 48 stars as the US flag).

I know they have an assembly, but it's not a parliament and for Legal terms, the legal system is the same and crime figures are for example included as England and Wales.

So Wales is included, just not in the way people think.

[Chapuis]

For the sake of discussion only I've noticed that the 1868 gun barrel proof Act makes interesting reading not just because of the wording which appears old world when read today but also because of the constant reference to England only. The 1978 Act/amendment mentions adding Scotland and Northern Ireland to the 1868 Act but what happened to Wales, has that been overlooked or have I missed something when speed reading?

Wales is a principality and has been part of England in legal terms since the 1500's. It is not a kingdom like Scotland and Ireland were. It is a principality, that is why it is not referenced on the Union Jack (despite what Google says, but then again they sometimes bring up pre joining of Alaska and Hawaii era Stars and stripes with only 48 stars as the US flag).

I know they have an assembly, but it's not a parliament and for Legal terms, the legal system is the same and crime figures are for example included as England and Wales.

So Wales is included, just not in the way people think.

Yes but acts of parliament were usually entitled as applicable to England and Wales, and often particularly during the fifties as England Wales and Monmouthshire.

In more recent times the Welsh assembly has had law making powers in certain fields. For instance they do not have law making powers over firearms but they could if they wished pass legislation with regard to suitable calibres for killing deer or boar so effectively amending the Deer Act as it applies to Wales.

You mention that crime figures are currently given as E&W but that's because the police currently come under the Home Office but wasn't there mention in the last Queen's speech of devolving policing in Wales to the Welsh assembly government.

Just out of interest has anybody ever been prosecuted in Scotland or Northern Ireland under section 122 of the Proof Act prior to 1978?

[Sixshot6]

For the sake of discussion only I've noticed that the 1868 gun barrel proof Act makes interesting reading not just because of the wording which appears old world when read today but also because of the constant reference to England only. The 1978 Act/amendment mentions adding Scotland and Northern Ireland to the 1868 Act but what happened to Wales, has that been overlooked or have I missed something when speed reading?

Wales is a principality and has been part of England in legal terms since the 1500's. It is not a kingdom like Scotland and Ireland were. It is a principality, that is why it is not referenced on the Union Jack (despite what Google says, but then again they sometimes bring up pre joining of Alaska and Hawaii era Stars and stripes with only 48 stars as the US flag).

I know they have an assembly, but it's not a parliament and for Legal terms, the legal system is the same and crime figures are for example included as England and Wales.

So Wales is included, just not in the way people think.

Yes but acts of parliament were usually entitled as applicable to England and Wales, and often particularly during the fifties as England Wales and Monmouthshire.

In more recent times the Welsh assembly has had law making powers in certain fields. For instance they do not have law making powers over firearms but they could if they wished pass legislation with regard to suitable calibres for killing deer or boar so effectively amending the Deer Act as it applies to Wales.

You mention that crime figures are currently given as E&W but that's because the police currently come under the Home Office but wasn't there mention in the last Queen's speech of devolving policing in Wales to the Welsh assembly government.

Just out of interest has anybody ever been prosecuted in Scotland or Northern Ireland under section 122 of the Proof Act prior to 1978?

I was talking more pre 1950's before the Welsh office came into being, and the devolving that power with crime figures sounds a sure way to massage them a bit more than is already done.

[Chapuis]

You cynic sixshot, as if they would massage the figures.
Oh I forgot, already proven. The last police and crime commissioner for Gwent sacked the chief constable for doing just that.

Devolving police control away from the H.O. not a good move as far as I'm concerned, sounds a bit like power grabbing.

[Sixshot6]

You cynic sixshot, as if they would massage the figures.
Oh I forgot, already proven. The last police and crime commissioner for Gwent sacked the chief constable for doing just that.

Devolving police control away from the H.O. not a good move as far as I'm concerned, sounds a bit like power grabbing.

That's because it is, that's why it sounds like it is.

[mmamonster]

"I know i going need a import license" FFS

Two hopes. None & Bob.
Forget any ideas of direct imports from the USA in person.
Buying a gun in the US as a non resident is a federal offense.
Exporting a gun without an export permit is a federal offense.
A British FAC with a suitable empty slot IS an "import license"!

Want to import, try the EU as a source.

I know its an offence to buy over there and to export that why i am doing my homework first.
I not going turn up at an american airport with a gun in my suitcase FFS ?

[mmamonster]

So has no one done it on here ? A bloke off the ar15 forum told me to ask

[Sixshot6]

I'm a guy I knew once had some unproofed rifles that were his personal imports and he didn't need them done as he had no intention of letting anyone else use them?

[Polchraine]

I always wondered if it is possible using the following method:

My cousin is in the US and lives, at various times of the year in California, Connecticut, and New York.

If he buys a gun - in accordance with his licences/permits. We then fly back to the UK together and he has the gun as part of our shared baggage - he may also have a UK visitors permit. Then, prior to going through customs he transfers the gun to me. I then declare it and it is on my FAC.

Legitimate or not?