when does a straight pull become a pump action?

[poll007]

so I was having a conversation at my club tonight about straight pull rifles and pumps actions.
now pump action fullbore rifles were banned along with semi autos, but we are still allowed straight pull rifles.

so my question is at what point does a a rifle count as a pump action?
so for example if I had a straight pull G3 rifle, and attached some bracket/rail so the charging handle would connect to a sort of fore grip, would that then legally count as a pump action or is it something specific in the design of the gun and its lock up

(although im pretty sure any police of FAO would take the gun or arrest you for it anyway)

[Sixshot6]

Didn't someone else have a similar idea a while back? Anyone want to comment?
It sounds grey, I know the Bullpup pumps from years ago, got around it by being a bolt charged by the handle so who knows what could work?

[saddler]

...so for example if I had a straight pull...and attached some bracket/rail so the charging handle would connect to a sort of fore grip, would that then legally count as a pump action...

Yes.

[Blackstuff]

Some would be obvious, some would get a decision by the FLD ( ) the manufacturer/import resides in and some would go to court.

To my mind it would be a gun that would allow you to empty a case and chamber a round using a grip/'pump' without removing either your supporting hand or trigger hand from their normal shooting positions. Its quite difficult to come up with, especially considering I can think of at least one example where this isn't considered the case* in UK law.

Its this rifle which I can't for the life of me remember the name as its a long collection of random letters Offensswcheizer or something



*I've seen on gun forums that at least two people claim they own this rifle in the UK (so it must be true! )

EDIT: ITs the Sommer & Ockenfuss Griffrepetierer (Whats that worth in Scrabble?!)

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Sommer_%26_Oc ... repetierer

http://www.patricks-home.de/bullpup/so.html

[zanes]

Didn't SGC do something along these lines a few years back- possibly one of their .30 carbine rifles?

[saddler]

Didn't SGC do something along these lines a few years back- possibly one of their .30 carbine rifles?

The tilting pistol grip mechanism?

[zanes]

Didn't SGC do something along these lines a few years back- possibly one of their .30 carbine rifles?

The tilting pistol grip mechanism?

No, but a similar era IIRC. Something similar to a vertical fore grip that worked the bolt. Perhaps I'm imagining it/thinking of something else but I distinctly remember at the time thinking it was sailing close to the pump action rules.

[Blackstuff]

Didn't SGC do something along these lines a few years back- possibly one of their .30 carbine rifles?

The tilting pistol grip mechanism?

No, but a similar era IIRC. Something similar to a vertical fore grip that worked the bolt. Perhaps I'm imagining it/thinking of something else but I distinctly remember at the time thinking it was sailing close to the pump action rules.

They did do a tilting pistol grip rifle in 9mm and .30cal. They still made the 30cal version until recently, before the lever release version took off.

One of these appears to have put a straight pull lever on as well;





If they did do one with a forward grip it'd be news to me, but I'd really like a look of one as it would open up all kinds of possibilities

[Sixshot6]

Didn't Sabre defense do something like Zanes previous poster mentioned and that the prototype is still about? Why don't we get a look at it and see what can be done to improve it?

[poll007]

To my mind it would be a gun that would allow you to empty a case and chamber a round using a grip/'pump' without removing either your supporting hand or trigger hand from their normal shooting positions. Its quite difficult to come up with, especially considering I can think of at least one example where this isn't considered the case* in UK law.

I'd definitely agree with that sort of specification.

i always find it interesting the different methods being used by designers and importers to adhere to uk law
(and more so looking at the different mechanisms that get rejected or accepted)