Schmidt & B reticle question, can anyone advise please?

[DaveT]

I made the same mistake when I bought most of my Schmidts....the lure of lower price for a 2FP!

I have a couple of FPP Schmidts and the reticles match the turrets.....sooooo much easier!

[Topdogpippin]

At the mom they are the same price, I opted for a SFP as my other scopes have been that, whilst aware of the advantages of FFP I felt the enlarged ret would be an inhibiting factor. Prob should have made the journey and tried both, certainly the 'wanteds' seem to be mostly for FFP's so I think the sh value if this might hold up better. Anyway it is on the TSg now and I will do 100mm 'test card' to prove the calibration and the just enjoy it for what it is.......Sightron SIII 6-24 anyone?

[WelshShooter]

Oh, they don't have turrets that match the reticle? Man, I'd be disappointed if I paid that much for a scope and that wasn't standard. If you're thinking of buying a Sights on I don't think you'll be disappointed for the price point. For the 6-24x50 models people either choose the Vortex Viper or the Sights on SIII, both of which have near identical specifications and you won't go wrong with either one. I have the Vortex version which I think is fantastic for the money. I also have a Sightron SI 4-12x40 on a rim fire and I'm really impressed with how nice the glass is seeing as it's only a sub £200 scope.

[Topdogpippin]

Hi again Welsh Shooter, thus is where we might drift. I agree on the disappointment over the comparability between turret and reticle.......but the glass is unbelievable. I have a Vortex Viper and, for the money it is outstanding, it now sits on my Sako Quad .17. The S&B takes the place on my TRG of a Sightron S111 6-24 which, frankly, I was disappointed in and may well be selling. The definition and contrast is ok and the AccuTrak system and build quality is good, but it is so dim! The only saving grace it is dim through the the zoom range so doesn't particularly suffer from light loss at the high end. The S&B is just superb all the way through. I particularly went to the shooting show to look at the full range of high end scopes for comp. I looked at Swarovski, Kahles, Zeiss and my local dealer, Ivythorn Sporting (who is great to deal with) always has good S/H and new scopes in and never gets touchy about you picking them up and testing them NF, Meopta etc. I have looked tried and thought good but...... Till I looked through the S&B at the show. As a ne time pro photographer I know what good glass is at the price Nikon Monarch scopes are great. Is it an annoying paradox on the S&B, yes but for the clarity I am prepared to get the sticky tape and pen out!

[DOGGER2UK]

Is the scope new or second hand?
If new take it back to the seller and ask for a swap for the metric version in FFP...may cost a few quid but you'll be happy.
We have a saying up here in Yorkshire "What you lose in your pocket you gain in your head"
Having made a few mistakes myself I am now......very very Knowledgeable!!!

[Topdogpippin]

It was bought new and I made the conscious choice to buy the SFP option. It really seems that the FFP really works in the field, my shooting is at known distances, punching holes and under no real time pressures beyond the odd McQueens match so I will stay with it thanks, the turrets not being mil/mil hmmm I can see how that might be an advantage I will just have to get my head gain under control, I thought I had lost it when I paid for it, but thanks for the thought!

[ovenpaa]

If your shooting is at known distances things are not so bad. I shoot with a PMII cm/click FFP P1 reticle and made myself a card with my drops to 1200 on one side and a drawing of the target frame and target on the other, the drawing had a grid superimposed on it so I knew how many clicks to bring me to the centre of the frame in .25 increments and used it for a while until it became intuitive.

[WelshShooter]

Well if you're shooting at a fixed, known range then that reduces the need to worry about matching turrets. If you're compensating for wind you will have to ask yourself whether you want to work in MOA or Milradian, in which case you will either adjust the turrets or use the reticle to compensate for the wind respectively.

Also, I think I misread your post regarding the Sightron SIII - I thought you were considering buying one in place of the S&B.

Now if you really want good glass at a good price then I'd suggest you look into the IOR scope range. Initially I was considering forking out for an S&B scope but seeing as you get maybe a 2 year warranty I couldn't afford to lose that amount of cash. Looking at the IOR scope range you get high quality Schott glass and they back this up with a 30 year warranty. I've got the 3-18x42 in FFP but they do offer scopes in higher magnification ranges (also the turrets match with the reticle). They are pretty good for the price - the scope I previously mentioned is around £900 new and the clarity knocks the socks off the Vortex Viper. I've never seen this side-by-side with an S&B but other guys on this forum have done so with favourable opinions to the IOR.

Sorry it's a bit off topic.

[ovenpaa]

There is no doubting the optical clarity of the PMII's and they are my go to choice however there are better to be found. The Viking has a Kahles K312 which is spectacular and I agree some of the IOR and worth a look, however the best I have ever looked through is the German built S&B 12x56 which is incredibly rare so a nightmare to find however it beats the PMII's hands down, mine is currently on a -250 and does a superb job.

[WelshShooter]

There is no doubting the optical clarity of the PMII's and they are my go to choice however there are better to be found. The Viking has a Kahles K312 which is spectacular and I agree some of the IOR and worth a look, however the best I have ever looked through is the German built S&B 12x56 which is incredibly rare so a nightmare to find however it beats the PMII's hands down, mine is currently on a -250 and does a superb job.

Pfft, rubbish! The S&B 12x56 isn't a good scope at all. Let me do you a favour and take it off your hands, I'll give you £350 for it