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Re: EU to propose banning semi auto "weapons"

#381 Post by Chuck »

You wonder whether you should be reaching for the tin foil when this sort of thing comes up. Whitehalls (via Cameron or whichever puppet is acting at the time), last chance for an EU gun ban before the referendum :squirrel: kukkuk
Or maybe you should worry that your collection will be stolen from you as you have been found GUILTY by association (you own a gun) of being a terrorist for political expediency.

Of course if this reslts in a lesser gun grab how many of you will sit back and say "Phew, could have been worse" ....just as always happens. kukkuk wallhead wallhead

The point my friend is that YOU and all others are being blamed (as has happened before) for something that is NOT YOUR PROBLEM OR FAULT! A tin foil hat - yeah well maybe it might come to Kevlar one day the way things are shaping up...

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#382 Post by Mezzer »

froggy wrote:The proposal was discussed on the 7th dec . 19 MEP were present , 16 of them were actually critical of the proposal .

Nothing is lost yet ...
This demonstrates that we should keep the pressure and encourage all firearms owners to keep signing the petition and WRITE their views on
https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regdo ... 3085376&la
:good: Totally agree!

Keep the pressure on.

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#383 Post by Racalman »

I have no time for social media. Life is just too short and interesting to waste precious hours on Facetube or Twittergram.

However, I recognise that it can have a profound impact on shaping the perceptions of the public and politicians, and it is a weapon in our armoury that wasn't available after Hungerford and Dunblane.

I hope that those who do use it can make an impact. In the meantime I have written and emailed to MEPs, signed the petition and responded to the EU consultation.
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#384 Post by IsleShoot »

lapua338 wrote:The private petition will not be recognised by the EU commission.

All responses and feedback concerning the EU Weapons Directive need to be received by the official EU link.

No one seems to listen or are far too idle to make a contribution.

https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regdo ... anguage=en

While the commission aims to make firearms less accessible to terrorists and criminals alike, the outcome of the amendment, if passed, will surely be the opposite. It is now known that the firearms the Paris terrorists used were illegal, being either smuggled in from active or past warzones, or illegally reconditioned from insufficiently decommissioned weapons. Yet, the proposal doesn’t aim to address these two sources of illegal firearms.

From an outright ban on semi-automatic rifles “resembling” military assault rifles (when does the look of a gun make it more lethal?), the obligatory decommissioning of museum-owned guns, to imposing firearm rules on airsoft replicas, the commission’s proposal only impairs the rights of law-abiding citizens. Yet, as with drugs or alcohol, such a move is likely to foster a new culture of black market guns for otherwise law-abiding people, leading to growth of the market and as a consequence easier accessibility of illegal firearms to terrorists and criminals.

Since 2008, the EU commission has done nothing to close the “insufficiently deactivated firearms” loophole existing in certain countries, prompting member states seeing a rise in the use of such guns to pressure origin countries (especially Slovakia) to change their rules on deactivation. This having already happened by July 2015, the only effective part of the proposal (enacting common rules on deactivation) is too little too late.

Meanwhile, the EU has been absolutely incompetent in combating black market firearms. The EU has little influence over law enforcement in member states and has utterly failed to protect the external Schengen borders. Hundreds of thousands of migrants enter the EU undisturbed and industrial levels of smuggling includes many different modes of transport. With Europe’s security situation deteriorating not only regarding terrorist attacks, but also due to the war in Ukraine and rising crime levels, citizens of member states that culturally and legally approve of legal firearm possession for self defence have voted with their wallets. Shotguns virtually sold out in Austria (being bought mostly by women) and concealed carry license applications surged in the Czech Republic after remaining basically level between 2000 to 2014.

In order to legally obtain firearms, gun owners in Europe must already go through various forms of background checks and licensing procedures. Moreover, under the existing EU Weapons Directive, all firearms must be registered. Opponents have argued for years that gun registrations are a prequel to confiscations, which the European Commission affirms with the proposed ban on semi-automatic rifles that only affects legally-owned and registered guns. Semi-automatic rifles are a popular choice for a variety of purposes, including hunting, sport shooting and, in some countries, home defence.

The proposed ban (and confiscation) of these firearms will make it clear to all legitimate gun owners that anything they buy legally may be taken away at any time, thus driving many to the black market. Demand drives supply such that the European firearms black market will grow in response to its new customers, making illegal firearms more accessible to criminals and terrorists. Additionally, the police will be overburdened for years tracking down otherwise law-abiding citizens either refusing to comply with confiscations (tens of thousands of people are likely in the Czech Republic alone as civil disobedience is already being vocally advocated) or simply buying an illegal gun for their own protection (as is already happening in countries without legal means of obtaining firearms for self defence).

Another example of an ill-considered proposal is the so-called 15 day "cooling off" period between purchase and possession, even if the purchaser is licensed to possess a firearm. This is an obstructionist irritant to the vendor and purchaser (particularly as here in the UK the transaction has to be face-to-face) and of no value where licensing regimes are in place for all firearms. "Cool off" from what? For example, I have ordered a firearm with a 6-9 month lead time and have the authority to possess. The dealer calls me to let me know the rifle has arrived. I have to suffer a 15 day "cooling of" period before collecting my rifle. Utter nonsense! This proposal is disproportionate.

These proposals are driven by fear with the ultimate aim of a total ban on civilian ownership. We are dealing with an extremely dictatorial EU and one in which requires complete subservience from its citizens. It's turning into a 21st Century GDR but with more fashionably dressed but equally contemptible bureaucrats and politicians. This is an erosion of our civil liberties, democratic values and another example of managed perception to surrender freedoms under the guise of safety or security and totally unacceptable to the many millions of lawful firearm owners within the EU.
Great bit of writing goodjob

To anybody who hasn't already written to their MEP and/or MP (especially now Cameroon and May have waded in) and is unsure what to write you could pretty much just copy and paste Laupa338 text.
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#386 Post by morph007 »

This gentleman speaks a lot of sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKQQGialkno
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Re: EU to propose banning semi auto "weapons"

#387 Post by Pete »

Absolutely, but how do we make the puppetmasters listen and understand???

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#388 Post by Airbrush »

If this bs gets thrown out it'll be because of the East European countries imo.
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#389 Post by HALODIN »

You tell them here.

https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regdo ... anguage=en
Pete wrote:Absolutely, but how do we make the puppetmasters listen and understand???

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Re: EU to propose banning semi auto "weapons"

#390 Post by Chuck »

Spot on remarks but as said: how do you get these people to listen because they are NOT interested in reasoned debate or FACTS.

They have an agenda and unless we unite and speak as ONE VOICE they'll just rilroad this through. We all knew this was coming because the signs were there but many chose to blame it on tin foil hats and conspiracy theory. May are STILL living in denial of this real threat.

So yes we can have another petition stating the FACTS as outlined - even get this on the national news if you can find a station that has not been bought and also that just maybe we will NOT be handing over anything!. Why should you? After all NOT ONE OF YOU was to blame so WHY again I ask should YOU and many many gun owners and business people in the gun trade Europe wide take the blame (and maybe lose their liveliehood, homes etc) over a problem that is NOT of your / heir making but more likely the making of the people who want your guns!

Yes there will be a few decent politicians who see the facts for what they are - have they the guts to stand up for you and your RIGHTS?? Or will they roll over and do as they are told because they want to look good to the terminally confused masses who believe the lies!

If you were to ask them for PROOF this act of theft will work you'll never see it. This about taking your guns, not terrorism!.

Make sure you get your free copy of Gun facts 7...maybe email copies to your MP?

http://guntoters.com/index.php?topic=9116.0

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Remember this is NOT just the EU who are trying this gun grab nonsense;

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2015/12/05/th ... fiscation/
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