EU to propose banning semi auto "weapons"

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Re: EU to propose banning semi auto "weapons"

#281 Post by Blackstuff »

This was posted on Firearms UK Facebook page yesterday, which is allegedly a submission regarding the directive by a UK FLD;

https://www.facebook.com/firearmsuk.org ... 9475343096

What is stated below allegedly comes from a UK police force's firearms licensing review meeting, we believe this to be a summary;

"The proposals include the following:
European Directive on Firearms

1. Ban all automatic and semi-automatic weapons. To the UK this means anyone with an auto shotgun or .22RF semi is likely to lose them! The EU has already allocated funds for compensation.

2. Ban all “military looking” weapons. This is to allow easy identification of terrorist’s weapons. This could spread to include air weapons.

3. It has now been made public that the Paris murderers obtained legally de-activated
weapons which they then converted back to fully operating automatic weapons. There is to be urgent tightening up of all de-activation requirements and certification. It has been known by the police for some time how easy it is to reactivate some weapons
(e.g. replacing barrels) and new rules are being drawn up by the Home Office – these are being forced through very quickly.

4. The proposed new rules are going to involve drilling and welding to de-activate to ensure no parts can be re-used as an actual weapon. There is some confusion over re-certifying previously de-activated weapons and up for discussion is to licence all persons who hold de-activated examples so that they are – in theory – traceable and
the police know where they all are.

5. There are, apparently, massive quantities of de-activated weapons in existence. It is probable these will all require re-certifying, which is a massive undertaking which the police are very concerned about manpower to actually inspect and licence them.
Undertaking the engineering work to properly de-activate all of them before they are certificated as complying with any new law is a massive and costly exercise. The usual route is to obtain the certificates via the two Proof Houses in the UK.

6. The knock-on effects are likely to be massive delays in issuing normal firearm and shotgun licences and renewals – which are not reaching the police targets anyway."


If the compensation really already has been set aside i find this pretty worrying as A/ It removes a big leverage point for us B/ The amount of compensation has already been determined which means each gun won't in individually assessed/paid for at its actual commercial value.

I've got to laugh at no.2 though, i've lost count of the number of times i've been walking through the Metrocentre with my VZ58 on my back and a copper has come over to ask me if i'm a terrorist or not(!) I've got the office Christmas party in Newcastle city centre on Friday, i was planning on taking my MP5, you know, as all us shooters often strutt about in public places with our guns, but now i might think twice just in case someone thinks i'm a terrorist, especially since i might be wearing a long beard and red hat.... 8-) kukkuk
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#282 Post by Mezzer »

If Mr Mercer did indeed pen the letter, then good on him.

However, one swallow doesn't make a spring, so I'd like to see a bit more of this type of NRA response to issues raised by the anti-gun brigade in this country before I consider making the NRA my club. It's a pretty reasonable start though.

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Re: EU to propose banning semi auto "weapons"

#283 Post by Sim G »

Ban semi/full automatic weapons and ban "military looking weapons" are two separate entities? There are some I've spoken to who reckon that any ban is on military looking semi/ full rifles only so couldn't give a chuff as they believe their wood stocked CZs will be alright...
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#284 Post by Airbrush »

Sim G wrote:Ban semi/full automatic weapons and ban "military looking weapons" are two separate entities? There are some I've spoken to who reckon that any ban is on military looking semi/ full rifles only so couldn't give a chuff as they believe their wood stocked CZs will be alright...
This is why we're stuffed as shooters in this country, I despair.
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Re: EU to propose banning semi auto "weapons"

#285 Post by dromia »

I am a member of enough clubs including the nra. It is a body that represents and pro-actively campaigns on behalf of legal gun owners in this country that I want to join, if we had one.

This has been going on for over week now and I have no communication from any national organisation I pay money to about this, either interpreting the consequences or advising on action to take and mobilising support against the proposals.

If I wasn't a member here then I would know nothing about this threat.

So much for leadership.
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#286 Post by Airbrush »

dromia wrote:I am a member of enough clubs including the nra. It is a body that represents and pro-actively campaigns on behalf of legal gun owners in this country that I want to join, if we had one.

This has been going on for over week now and I have no communication from any national organisation I pay money to about this, either interpreting the consequences or advising on action to take and mobilising support against the proposals.

If I wasn't a member here then I would know nothing about this threat.

So much for leadership.
Are you a member of BASC, they seem to be proactive on this issue & I've received an email from them regarding their proposals.

'Following recent terrorist atrocities the European Commission has published a set of proposed changes to the EU Firearms Directive.

The proposals include :
• Introduction of a five-year ceiling to certificate life
• Introduction of a standard medical test for applicants
• Bringing collectors and sound moderators within the scope of the directive.
For a full outline of the proposed changes and how they might affect UK legislation see our Question and Answer page on the BASC website here:

The proposals are currently subject to process and scrutiny. BASC has already identified discrepancies and contradictions in the proposals and has called for a separate legal instrument, rather than the Firearms Directive, to address the issue of illegal use of firearms.

Whatever the mechanism, BASC believes that an impact assessment will help policymakers agree actions which are outcome based and which avoid unintended consequences which harm legitimate firearms users.

We will work tirelessly with policy makers to ensure that bad laws are not imposed on shooting and law-abiding citizens.

To that end BASC is engaging with the following organisations:

•The Home Office
•The Department of Justice (Northern Ireland)
•The Federation of European hunting associations – FACE – which is in direct contact with the Commission.
•Sister organisations including the British Shooting Sports Council (BSSC)'
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Re: EU to propose banning semi auto "weapons"

#287 Post by dromia »

Not a member of BASC, cancelled my trade membership when they refused to support members cases with the police because they seemed to be afraid that it would open floodgates even although they thought the members had a good case.

They seem to be good on the publicity side but when it comes to actual delivery I have my doubts, just like the nra they didn't cover themselves with glory during the pistol ban either.

But if they are communicating with members then that is a damn sight more than the nra are doing.
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Re: EU to propose banning semi auto "weapons"

#288 Post by Chuck »

There are some I've spoken to who reckon that any ban is on military looking semi/ full rifles only so couldn't give a chuff as they believe their wood stocked CZs will be alright...
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#289 Post by huntervixen »

[quote="HALODIN"]Don't forget to paint the tip orange, cover it in hello kitty stickers and glitter.

But what about the Spikes? lol lol
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#290 Post by polemass »

In last attack they used illegal AK type from Balkans,CharlieHebdo was done with converted BLANKS FIRER VZ58!On Continent ALL DEACTS are already welded and drilled!!! ****
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