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Man jailed for possessing ammo invoice

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A man will spend at least three years behind bars after pleading guilty to terrorism offences following the discovery of an invoice for $28m of ammunition on his mobile phone.
https://ukshootingnews.wordpress.com/20 ... -on-phone/

Granted, there's a lot more to that individual case than my introductory paragraph. But the principle is still worrying, I think.
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#2 Post by zanes »

Gaz wrote:
A man will spend at least three years behind bars after pleading guilty to terrorism offences following the discovery of an invoice for $28m of ammunition on his mobile phone.
https://ukshootingnews.wordpress.com/20 ... -on-phone/

Granted, there's a lot more to that individual case than my introductory paragraph. But the principle is still worrying, I think.
Yeah, I'm terrified I'm going to be arrested for buying ammunition.

Seriously? wtf
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#3 Post by bigfathairybiker »

Hmmmm... Once again the shooting press associate terrorist activty with our legal shooting hobby.

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#4 Post by RDC »

Gaz wrote:
A man will spend at least three years behind bars after pleading guilty to terrorism offences following the discovery of an invoice for $28m of ammunition on his mobile phone.
https://ukshootingnews.wordpress.com/20 ... -on-phone/

Granted, there's a lot more to that individual case than my introductory paragraph. But the principle is still worrying, I think.
Why is it worrying? That case as you have written it in the article doesn't relate to any of our collective situation. He was an illegal immigrant picked up in the back of a lorry, who has previously be kicked out for false documents and links to terrorist groups, and had details of buying and moving ammo in Libya in quantities of military force proportions.

It's a bit different than us buying our legally allowed quantity of ammo at the local RFD.
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#5 Post by Gaz »

RDC wrote:
Gaz wrote:
A man will spend at least three years behind bars after pleading guilty to terrorism offences following the discovery of an invoice for $28m of ammunition on his mobile phone.
https://ukshootingnews.wordpress.com/20 ... -on-phone/

Granted, there's a lot more to that individual case than my introductory paragraph. But the principle is still worrying, I think.
Why is it worrying? That case as you have written it in the article doesn't relate to any of our collective situation. He was an illegal immigrant picked up in the back of a lorry, who has previously be kicked out for false documents and links to terrorist groups, and had details of buying and moving ammo in Libya in quantities of military force proportions.

It's a bit different than us buying our legally allowed quantity of ammo at the local RFD.
I guess so, but the only real difference is the quantity. What's to stop someone being nicked for, say, having an invoice for 10,000rds of 7.62x39? Bearing in mind people have been arrested in the past for things like having their guns at home while renewals are processed late because the police are behind.
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#6 Post by Airbrush »

kukkuk
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#7 Post by zanes »

Gaz wrote:
RDC wrote: Why is it worrying? That case as you have written it in the article doesn't relate to any of our collective situation. He was an illegal immigrant picked up in the back of a lorry, who has previously be kicked out for false documents and links to terrorist groups, and had details of buying and moving ammo in Libya in quantities of military force proportions.

It's a bit different than us buying our legally allowed quantity of ammo at the local RFD.
I guess so, but the only real difference is the quantity. What's to stop someone being nicked for, say, having an invoice for 10,000rds of 7.62x39?
If they don't have a FAC slot for that amount or a reasonable explanation (i.e. RFD holding it and issuing it as required, it being held by a club, a licensed business deal or similar) for the existence of the invoice or the circumstances are similar to the defendant's circumstances in this case then, rightfully, nothing.
Bearing in mind people have been arrested in the past for things like having their guns at home while renewals are processed late because the police are behind.
Which, as you well know, no matter what the FLD might tell you, is the correct course of action.

You write some very good stuff Gaz and your site is an interesting read but this sounds like a descent into paranoia.

As RDC says, context is everything. Your post and deductions makes about as much sense as worrying about being arrested for rape because you had sex with your partner last night and you read that someone got sent down for rape this morning.
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#8 Post by snayperskaya »

Big difference between a shooter with a receipt for 1000 rounds that they have an FAC with the relevant permission to possess and an illegal immigrant with an invoice for $28,000,000 worth of ammo and a cargo plane from Libya!!!.......that's in the realms of "Lord of War"
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Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank.....give a man a bank and he can rob the world!.

More than a vested interest in 7.62x54r!
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Gaz wrote: I guess so, but the only real difference is the quantity. What's to stop someone being nicked for, say, having an invoice for 10,000rds of 7.62x39? Bearing in mind people have been arrested in the past for things like having their guns at home while renewals are processed late because the police are behind.
Only real difference is the quantity?!

You know very well that the circumstances are remarkably different between this and someone having a receipt for whatever is legally held on thier FAC.

Even getting nicked for having something whilst your ticket is away for renewal is massively a different situation.

Unless, of course, you happen to be an illegal immigrant on false docs, with links to terrorism and recently arrived in the back of a lorry after coming from a country with lots of jihadis and warlords fighting it out for dominance. Then I could see how the only real difference is quantity.
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#10 Post by Blighty »

Sounds like a brilliant piece of Police work.
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