Ok, I promised info on that CT system and here it is

[R.G.C]

Good effort for trying sixshot6, it did look like it might be promising! Good job mate, sorry it didn't work out.

I'm no so upset for failing myself, I'm more upset I failed the rest of you. I got alot of you excited and it was for nothing. On the plus side there are others. Lantac is one and I believe we might see something

from a couple of others.

Perhaps a bolt system to take the place of the Upper?

R.G.C

[Blackstuff]

Yes definitely sounds like S5 for over here which is a pity. I didn't read the full thread, how does it make the bolt recoil after the energy of the round going off has disapated? i.e. does it prime a secondary cocking system which fires once the trigger is reset??

[joe]

The law states that centre Fire must not self load ! Nothing about having two separate actions ! It depends on the system operates ! Bolt stays forward while the trigger is depressed once released then operates it can't be buy any gas or blow back since all the energy would be gone if it were then reloaded by some mechanical mec linked by the releasing of the trigger then it could be still man op.
If it's section 5 here what makes one think it would be legal in ct ? Ct nearly has UK type gun control even they liances are called FAC's it would be up the their state police to deem if its not self loading and we all know what the police are like when it comes to firearms !

[Sixshot6]

The law states that centre Fire must not self load ! Nothing about having two separate actions ! It depends on the system operates ! Bolt stays forward while the trigger is depressed once released then operates it can't be buy any gas or blow back since all the energy would be gone if it were then reloaded by some mechanical mec linked by the releasing of the trigger then it could be still man op.
If it's section 5 here what makes one think it would be legal in ct ? Ct nearly has UK type gun control even they liances are called FAC's it would be up the their state police to deem if its not self loading and we all know what the police are like when it comes to firearms !

The licenses in ct are actually called permits. Also ct is better than some other awb states in many ways. Hell they allow ccw while ma and nj doesnt. He did hus research this guy and i might still be tempted to get someone to do the research.

[sysreq]

From what I have been able glean, the MARS and Lever Release are only acceptable because 2 actions are required by the operator. i.e. "pull trigger + push a lever" is roughly the same as "pull trigger + cycle a bolt".

In this case the 2nd action is returning your finger to where it started, I can't see anyone interpreting it as 2 actions.

[Sixshot6]

From what I have been able glean, the MARS and Lever Release are only acceptable because 2 actions are required by the operator. i.e. "pull trigger + push a lever" is roughly the same as "pull trigger + cycle a bolt".

In this case the 2nd action is returning your finger to where it started, I can't see anyone interpreting it as 2 actions.

To me it reads as a semi that closes until you release your finger. Great for moderators but not us.

[bradaz11]

what if the trigger had no spring on it, and you had to physically move it back forward?

[Sixshot6]

what if the trigger had no spring on it, and you had to physically move it back forward?

Elaborate please Bradaz11. Are you saying that your reading of the firearms act would make the having to reset a trigger manually could count as two distinct actions? That is a clever idea, make it light enough to make up for the lack of spring and you might be onto something. Have I got that right?

[bradaz11]

well in my eyes if you pull the trigger, then have to remove finger from it, and put it behind to move it back into the forward position, then you have made two moves. but its probably also getting close to the MARS system. And having a weak spring wouldnt be enough, as you could just replace the spring. it would have to be a trigger that is made with no place to put the spring, and would probably want a detent added in to give a 'grip' to it.

but if you have got the bolt mech moving backwards by some other stored force, you might as well just put in some sort of catch, so it isn't trigger operated. so you pull trigger, gun fires, and nothing else moves. then you release whatever it is that you would have released with the trigger but with some sort of latch, bolt goes back and loads new round....

[Sixshot6]

well in my eyes if you pull the trigger, then have to remove finger from it, and put it behind to move it back into the forward position, then you have made two moves. but its probably also getting close to the MARS system. And having a weak spring wouldnt be enough, as you could just replace the spring. it would have to be a trigger that is made with no place to put the spring, and would probably want a detent added in to give a 'grip' to it.

but if you have got the bolt mech moving backwards by some other stored force, you might as well just put in some sort of catch, so it isn't trigger operated. so you pull trigger, gun fires, and nothing else moves. then you release whatever it is that you would have released with the trigger but with some sort of latch, bolt goes back and loads new round....

And that brings us back to the Lever release and MARS. I did have words with one of the RFD's bringing in something in later on. They told me to call back in a few months (last month, so will call again in August).