Range safety certificate

[Dave 101]

I attended a FB shoot a couple of months ago and the person in charge goes through a question sheet with us and he ticks in the answere then we are observed whilst shooting , For those that dont hold a cert being under supervision whilst shooting is how we cover it for new members guests etc . So I suppose whilst shooting a comp at Bisley with an RCO checking the firing line could be classed as shooting under supervision .
As I said earlier there could be a lot of shooters out there who dont have a cert because they dont shoot on MoD ranges .

Dave

[HeatherW762]

The RCO Trainer/Assessors were going to audit clubs, in fact I was given the name of a couple! Nothing subsequently happened. I guess there is two possible reasons
1/ Phyllis didn't think I'd do a good job
2/ Nobody has been audited
Either way, it is an unacceptable situation.

I know some were done as I did one :)

Heather

[HeatherW762]

I attended a FB shoot a couple of months ago and the person in charge goes through a question sheet with us and he ticks in the answere then we are observed whilst shooting , For those that dont hold a cert being under supervision whilst shooting is how we cover it for new members guests etc . So I suppose whilst shooting a comp at Bisley with an RCO checking the firing line could be classed as shooting under supervision .
As I said earlier there could be a lot of shooters out there who dont have a cert because they dont shoot on MoD ranges .

Dave

Hi,

Shooting under supervision is only for inexperienced shooters and is strictly one on one. So the fact that an RCO is present isn't s-u-s and doesn't excuse not having a card. I can back up DM's statement that you wont get your comp cards unless you can show your cert card.

Comps like the Phoenix are the ones where we have most problems with lack of cert cards as there are a lot of private gallery rifle ranges where they do not have to have them. Unfortunately their members bowl up here not having read the 'not so small' print & then it's our fault they don't have them. :roll:

You should carry it with you at all times when on a military/bisley range as you can be asked to produce them in spot checks. Yes, they do happen - I do them!

Any club that is affiliated to the NRA can apply for cards, whether they shoot on MoD ranges or not.

Heather

[Chapuis]

I know of two clubs that have been audited to ensure that they are adhering to the correct procedures regarding the issuing of range competence certificates so these audits do take place, in fact it is a friend of mine who carried out the audits.

Most our club members rarely shoot on M.O.D. ranges but the one place that they do shoot every year is at the Phoenix meeting where they are always asked to produce competence certificates.

[Dave 101]

Hi

Good news I have managed to sort this out today and the FB captain is going to post one out to me , having done the assesment back in March , which he wasnt at , but the previous Captain was it has complicated things a bit , so just waiting for it to turn up in the post .

Dave

[Chapuis]

Who's signing the certificate?

Only the club Chairman can certify a person as competent.

[barney57]

Who's signing the certificate?

Only the club Chairman can certify a person as competent.

What,,, apart from being a club Chairman,, qualifies that person to sign these certificates??

I ask as I am not as yet a member of any full or small bore shooting clubs so I am not sure of the sequence of events,or process,,but if shooters need these certificates to shoot on ranges,,,,is it not a requirement for all club shooters to prove their competence and having these certificates in their possession before having their membership to any such club confirmed? if it is then fair enough, if it's not why not? and would that not be the sensible solution for everyone??

[barney57]

I dont bloody believe it.. I just typed out a lengthy addition to my post above,,, in great detail, hit submit and it comes back and tells me that I cannot edit my post.....?????? WHY THE HELL NOT?? It's my post???

well I aint got time to do it all over again now....

[Chapuis]

No Barney, it's not a requirement for all club members to hold a competence certificate only those using M.O.D. ranges.
There is however a requirement for all H.O. approved clubs to provide adequate instruction to new and inexperienced members of their clubs.

[HeatherW762]

Who's signing the certificate?

Only the club Chairman can certify a person as competent.

What,,, apart from being a club Chairman,, qualifies that person to sign these certificates??

I ask as I am not as yet a member of any full or small bore shooting clubs so I am not sure of the sequence of events,or process,,but if shooters need these certificates to shoot on ranges,,,,is it not a requirement for all club shooters to prove their competence and having these certificates in their possession before having their membership to any such club confirmed? if it is then fair enough, if it's not why not? and would that not be the sensible solution for everyone??

The Chairman is the acknowledge ultimately responsible person within the club. He doesn't have to do the actual assessment as he may not be qualified to do it. In that case he should delegate that to someone who is qualified however he still has to sign the card. The paper trail within the club records should then show who did the actual assessment.

Heather