Thinking of voting Green?

[Dougan]

I think one thing that a lot of people forget, is that no matter how misguided the Green Party are on some issues, their true devotees want what is best for all...where as we, shooters, are arguing for the rights or what is actually just our hobby...

...at the risk of being flamed as a heretic; if it came to the crunch, and I only had the choice between saving my guns or saving the environment...then the environment would win.

Anyway, looking out the window, I can't see the world coming to an end just yet; so am going to go and get some loading done.

[A.J.P.]

no matter how misguided the Green Party are on some issues, their true devotees want what is best for all...where as we, shooters, are arguing for the rights or what is actually just our hobby...

...at the risk of being flamed as a heretic; if it came to the crunch, and I only had the choice between saving my guns or saving the environment...then the environment would win.

Concern for environmental issues is commendable. Unfortunately the Green Party is about about so much more that just protecting the environment. They want to implement sweeping social change throughout the UK - which would reduce both our strength as a nation and our freedom as individuals. As an aside, shooting is far more than just a hobby for a great many people: "Shooting is worth £2 billion a year to the UK economy and provides significant conservation benefits". ( http://shootingfacts.co.uk/press_release.html )

[Sixshot6]

no matter how misguided the Green Party are on some issues, their true devotees want what is best for all...where as we, shooters, are arguing for the rights or what is actually just our hobby...

...at the risk of being flamed as a heretic; if it came to the crunch, and I only had the choice between saving my guns or saving the environment...then the environment would win.

Concern for environmental issues is commendable. Unfortunately the Green Party is about about so much more that just protecting the environment. They want to implement sweeping social change throughout the UK - which would reduce both our strength as a nation and our freedom as individuals. As an aside, shooting is far more than just a hobby for a great many people: "Shooting is worth £2 billion a year to the UK economy and provides significant conservation benefits". ( http://shootingfacts.co.uk/press_release.html )

They are called Watermelons, green on the outside, red on the inside. How they ran Brighton council with the results that happened was a micron-ism of what would happen if given greater power. Hell some would say it showed them as unfit for governance. I guess that is the good thing about local government, it can sort the wheat from the chaff.

[zanes]

They are called Watermelons, green on the outside, red on the inside. How they ran Brighton council with the results that happened was a micron-ism of what would happen if given greater power. Hell some would say it showed them as unfit for governance. I guess that is the good thing about local government, it can sort the wheat from the chaff.

+1.

In addition to shooting, they also aim to end routine use of antibiotics, move to a zero growth economy, have totally uncontrolled immigration, legalise membership of terrorist organisations and pay a citizens income to everyone that they have no idea of how they will afford it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dFn8RIXOBE

If it wasn't so serious, I'd be convinced the greens are some sort of wind up party.

[Sixshot6]

They are called Watermelons, green on the outside, red on the inside. How they ran Brighton council with the results that happened was a micron-ism of what would happen if given greater power. Hell some would say it showed them as unfit for governance. I guess that is the good thing about local government, it can sort the wheat from the chaff.

+1.

In addition to shooting, they also aim to end routine use of antibiotics, move to a zero growth economy, have totally uncontrolled immigration, legalise membership of terrorist organisations and pay a citizens income to everyone that they have no idea of how they will afford it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dFn8RIXOBE

If it wasn't so serious, I'd be convinced the greens are some sort of wind up party.

So in essence we'd go back to time when the average life expectancy was 35, have a load of people with intent to cause us harm walking around, undermine the Eco mission with unlimited growth of the population, not even both to aspire to try and earn any wealth and p*** away any we have left to everyone for basically doing bugger all. If they weren't a parody group I would be laughing. That however is so irresponsible that it borders on criminal. Even Labour and the Conservatives's aren't that stupid.

Once the country collapses and riots are occuring in the streets and the army has to get called in to restore order, the Green's may find themselves having to follow the path of James II in leaving these shores to avoid getting lynched for being so destructive.

[Dougan]

no matter how misguided the Green Party are on some issues, their true devotees want what is best for all...where as we, shooters, are arguing for the rights or what is actually just our hobby...

...at the risk of being flamed as a heretic; if it came to the crunch, and I only had the choice between saving my guns or saving the environment...then the environment would win.

Concern for environmental issues is commendable. Unfortunately the Green Party is about about so much more that just protecting the environment. They want to implement sweeping social change throughout the UK - which would reduce both our strength as a nation and our freedom as individuals. As an aside, shooting is far more than just a hobby for a great many people: "Shooting is worth £2 billion a year to the UK economy and provides significant conservation benefits". ( http://shootingfacts.co.uk/press_release.html )

I can't argue with either of those points...

...I hate to admit it but the Greens are worse politically than UKIP; in that while they both have their own serious biases, on a major issue like defense, for example, UKIP would treat it as a 'non-political' issue, where as the Greens are still very 'political' about it...

...in some ways I'm not sure green organisations should be able to have political parties...but then again they are such a lost voice that I don't want to put them down...

As for your second point - I am aware of the economic importance of shooting...that's one of the same arguments I use myself to promote shooting

[Dougan]

They are called Watermelons, green on the outside, red on the inside. How they ran Brighton council with the results that happened was a micron-ism of what would happen if given greater power. Hell some would say it showed them as unfit for governance. I guess that is the good thing about local government, it can sort the wheat from the chaff.

+1.

In addition to shooting, they also aim to end routine use of antibiotics, move to a zero growth economy, have totally uncontrolled immigration, legalise membership of terrorist organisations and pay a citizens income to everyone that they have no idea of how they will afford it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dFn8RIXOBE

If it wasn't so serious, I'd be convinced the greens are some sort of wind up party.

Antibiotics have been chronically over-prescribed; to the point that antibiotic resistant diseases are becoming a real threat to us...

...and if we don't slow growth, both economic and population, then we are going to rapidly run out of the freely available resources that we all rely on.

These are two very important issues, but they are not being taken seriously because the Greens other policies are so bad...

...I wouldn't want to see them running the UK anymore than I would Labour...but some of their issues are a lot more important than a lot of folk realise, and should not be dismissed as loony or crazy.

[BrunelTR]

Just to point out something more concerning from the Green Party firearms policy (http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/cj.html) here...

Prohibited weapons
The most dangerous weapons will be prohibited. These include handguns, multi-shot and high calibre weapons. There will be a complete ban on the private ownership/possession of all automatic and semi-automatic firearms. A suitably constituted Gun Safety Advisory Committee will regularly review which weapons are prohibited.

So that's gallery rifle smallbore and lbp done then...

[FredB]

The Greens policies are based on ideals. Sadly, like any idealists, their policies are on issues of which they have little knowledge and they compound their ignorance by attacking those who do understand the subject. A classic example from a few years back was the proposal to dispose of an obsolete oil drilling platform by sinking it in the North Atlantic trench. The greens campaigned vigorously against this and succeeded---the oil platform was cut up by conventional means. The Greens later admitted that the environmental damage caused was much greater than that resulting from sinking it.
All Green Party policies are reactionary in this way: they don't like the sound of an idea, so they oppose it without doing any cost / benefit study. They propose alternatives without knowing if they are really feasible. Bob Dole in the USA is / was the prime example, lecturing on energy conservation and reducing CO2 emmissions all over the states while travelling in a private jet.
Fred

[Chuck]

Prohibited weapons
The most dangerous weapons will be prohibited. These include handguns, multi-shot and high calibre weapons. There will be a complete ban on the private ownership/possession of all automatic and semi-automatic firearms. A suitably constituted Gun Safety Advisory Committee will regularly review which weapons are prohibited.

Like we don't have all this already - and just WHO would that "advisory" committe be? Oh them of course because they know what's best for everyone.

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