New British Army Rifle?

[John MH]

So you actually have none.

You are totally entitled to your opinions but they are your opinions and whilst they maybe important to you are of little relevance in the real world.

Isn't the interweb great.

[Sixshot6]

No

Well it was worth a try. I know it can't be done for some but it was still worth asking. That would have made it perfect too.

[Fedaykin]

To be honest John MH we had an interesting, polite, informative thread with people who had experience of the rifle and those who didn't discussing the history and functional points of the L85/SA80.

Then you jumped in and made it all about yourself jumping down the throat of anybody who hasn't actually fired the particular rifle. I have never fired a Mauser GEW98 but that doesn't mean I can't express an opinion about it.

For all we know you could be the high king of Walter Mittys who has never even touched an airsoft gun let alone the L85, it is a forum in the end.

You have turned what was an interesting thread into yet another handbags at dawn fight because shock horror somebody who "Might" of had military service doesn't like civvies having an opinion about the equipment used by our armed forces.

Oh and by the way your comment about the L85A3 and its service made me laugh for somebody proclaiming authority! FYI if you are going to be holy then thou on the subject of the L85/SA80 you should know that there isn't anything in UK military service called an L85A3. Now there are some receivers that H&K made marked L85A3, but they are new made bare shell receivers made by H&K for the sandpit to take the guts from L85A2 that had worn/damaged receivers. They are L85A2 with an A3 mark put on them by H&K for whatever reason crossed their German minds...gosh I can be a nerd

[ordnance]

So you actually have none.

That's not what I said, I could come on and post I had put 25,000 rounds through one, good distraction don't answer the question that i posted asking you what I posted you disagree with and why regarding the SA/80.

[Sixshot6]

To be honest John MH we had an interesting, polite, informative thread with people who had experience of the rifle and those who didn't discussing the history and functional points of the L85/SA80.

Then you jumped in and made it all about yourself jumping down the throat of anybody who hasn't actually fired the particular rifle. I have never fired a Mauser GEW98 but that doesn't mean I can't express an opinion about it.

For all we know you could be the high king of Walter Mittys who has never even touched an airsoft gun let alone the L85, it is a forum in the end.

You have turned what was an interesting thread into yet another handbags at dawn fight because shock horror somebody who "Might" of had military service doesn't like civvies having an opinion about the equipment used by our armed forces.

Oh and by the way your comment about the L85A3 and its service made me laugh for somebody proclaiming authority! FYI if you are going to be holy then thou on the subject of the L85/SA80 you should know that there isn't anything in UK military service called an L85A3. Now there are some receivers that H&K made marked L85A3, but they are new made bare shell receivers made by H&K for the sandpit to take the guts from L85A2 that had worn/damaged receivers. They are L85A2 with an A3 mark put on them by H&K for whatever reason crossed their German minds...gosh I can be a nerd

Thanks Fedaykin, I thought I had done something wrong questioning the guy and asking him to do something other than laugh and criticize but you're right. We should have an opinion, to quote some French politicians many moons ago "You cannot leave the fighting to the generals". Look where that leads us. Maybe the Germans at HK were future proofing or pulling a surreal form of German humor on us? Plus of course we need spares. Its not like we're making any. I'm glad for people like you. People like John MH guilt trip me into feeling bad, especially after I said he had been trolling, but that's what his behavior was like. Thank you. To bad the thread was so badly ruined.

[John MH]

No

Well it was worth a try. I know it can't be done for some but it was still worth asking. That would have made it perfect too.

No it wouldn't, what in-service rifle used by the miltary anywhere in the world is user configurable to left or right ejection; a gimmick that has no practical military use. It's easier to train a LH shooter to shoot RH than it is to have a configurable weapon system that requires extra logistics to support, configure and repair. The common trend in Multi-Calibre Sniper Weapon systems looks good in the brochures but is not practical, the UK MoD is not pursuing a Multi-Calibre system for a simple reason, it's not a practical 'user' or even 'unit' level option in the real world.

[John MH]

To be honest John MH we had an interesting, polite, informative thread with people who had experience of the rifle and those who didn't discussing the history and functional points of the L85/SA80.

Then you jumped in and made it all about yourself jumping down the throat of anybody who hasn't actually fired the particular rifle. I have never fired a Mauser GEW98 but that doesn't mean I can't express an opinion about it.

For all we know you could be the high king of Walter Mittys who has never even touched an airsoft gun let alone the L85, it is a forum in the end.

You have turned what was an interesting thread into yet another handbags at dawn fight because shock horror somebody who "Might" of had military service doesn't like civvies having an opinion about the equipment used by our armed forces.

Oh and by the way your comment about the L85A3 and its service made me laugh for somebody proclaiming authority! FYI if you are going to be holy then thou on the subject of the L85/SA80 you should know that there isn't anything in UK military service called an L85A3. Now there are some receivers that H&K made marked L85A3, but they are new made bare shell receivers made by H&K for the sandpit to take the guts from L85A2 that had worn/damaged receivers. They are L85A2 with an A3 mark put on them by H&K for whatever reason crossed their German minds...gosh I can be a nerd

You did, I said it was funny and then was challenged for not contributing. I contributed and now you don't like it, make your minds up.

There is no replacement for the L85A3 on the table at present, that doesn't mean though that it wont be replaced at some point in the future.

Well spotted, a typo I apologise I'm human. And you are also wrong on so many levels.

[John MH]

It's not a ruined thread, its still funny and full of inaccuracies, opinionated opinion and in some cases utter tosh. Keep up the good work you've been here almost a full week.

[Fedaykin]

To be honest John MH we had an interesting, polite, informative thread with people who had experience of the rifle and those who didn't discussing the history and functional points of the L85/SA80.

Then you jumped in and made it all about yourself jumping down the throat of anybody who hasn't actually fired the particular rifle. I have never fired a Mauser GEW98 but that doesn't mean I can't express an opinion about it.

For all we know you could be the high king of Walter Mittys who has never even touched an airsoft gun let alone the L85, it is a forum in the end.

You have turned what was an interesting thread into yet another handbags at dawn fight because shock horror somebody who "Might" of had military service doesn't like civvies having an opinion about the equipment used by our armed forces.

Oh and by the way your comment about the L85A3 and its service made me laugh for somebody proclaiming authority! FYI if you are going to be holy then thou on the subject of the L85/SA80 you should know that there isn't anything in UK military service called an L85A3. Now there are some receivers that H&K made marked L85A3, but they are new made bare shell receivers made by H&K for the sandpit to take the guts from L85A2 that had worn/damaged receivers. They are L85A2 with an A3 mark put on them by H&K for whatever reason crossed their German minds...gosh I can be a nerd

Thanks Fedaykin, I thought I had done something wrong questioning the guy and asking him to do something other than laugh and criticize but you're right. We should have an opinion, to quote some French politicians many moons ago "You cannot leave the fighting to the generals". Look where that leads us. Maybe the Germans at HK were future proofing or pulling a surreal form of German humor on us? Plus of course we need spares. Its not like we're making any. I'm glad for people like you. People like John MH guilt trip me into feeling bad, especially after I said he had been trolling, but that's what his behavior was like. Thank you. To bad the thread was so badly ruined.

I like forearms history and love surfing the internet or finding books to research arcane facts about military firearms, it is my hobby as it is many here. I will never get a chance to fire a Federov Automat but that doesn't stop me investigating its history and weighing its pros and cons, I have a significant knowledge of the Kalashnikov and its origins yet I have never fired one on my life. Should my opinions on both rifles be valid only if I have served with the Red army and put a few thousand rounds through it?

There are experts on the Steam trains of the Great Western Railway out there who have never driven one or people who know the history of Liverpool football club to the last detail and player but have never physically experienced driving a train or playing a match of football, are their opinions not valid.

I should also point out I have met plenty a squady who have barely clue about the origins, history and the technical details of the weapon systems they use beyond how to use it and keep it serviceable in the field.

The L85A3 thing got many an Airsoft Walt excited but in the end it was down the the whims of H&K, I vaguely remember the rebuilt rifles using the A3 marked receivers are actually L85A2B1 in MOD paperwork.

[ordnance]

No it wouldn't, what in-service rifle used by the miltary anywhere in the world is user configurable to left or right ejection;

True most but not all military rifles are designed that they can be fired either right or left handed. Its a problem with the Bullpup design. As I said earlier its the fact that you have to expose more of your body in certain situations that's the issue. The only one that I am aware of that have solved this problem is the FN 2000 that ejects at the front.