New British Army Rifle?

[Sixshot6]

No need to take sides.

Maybe you're right. I think this thread has escalated a bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7tgX_Uaqs.

Maybe we should all stop arguing at this point and maybe concede we'll never get the right answer.

[Sixshot6]

So Mr Ordnance, what's your expeience of the L85A2? We'll forget the rest until you've had a chance to wikipedia them

I Have shot both, but I have not put 30,000 rounds through one I was just making that up. Reliability is the most important factor in an military rifle but not the only one. The SA/ 80 is now after years problems and millions spent a reliable rifle. I didn't like the weight, poor balance, bad ergonomics, etc. If people want to argue that it has being a successful design on lots of different levels that's up to them. But if the question was put to experts and firearms manufacturers to name the top ten and most used and successful military rifles issued in the last 40 years the SA/80 would be well down the list.

Also I'm a lefty. Don't forget about us in the back here. That's why I cry when I see rifles like the Tavor with reversible ejection ports. It can't be that hard to design a rifle with that.

[John MH]

Who are these experts?

Ask firearms manufactures what's the best, no bias there then?

The most important factor is not necessarily the weapon system itself but the trained user employing it. Might want to read my signature line while you contemplate that.

[ordnance]

Also I'm a lefty. Don't forget about us in the back here. That's why I cry when I see rifles like the Tavor with reversible ejection ports. It can't be that hard to design a rifle with that.

People can learn to shoot right handed, the problem is that you have to expose more of yourself if you want to shoot it round the left side of a building etc. Another design flaw, one that could get you killed.

The most important factor is not necessarily the weapon system itself but the trained user employing it. Might want to read my signature line while you contemplate that.

That's fine if you want to dismiss other experts, and see your opinion as the only one that matters that's up to you. What would designers manufacturer other militaries ect know. Training is important but the rifle must work and the soldiers must have faith in the rifle, the SA/80 is regaining that faith after 30 odd years, maybe too little too late.

[John MH]

Anyway, this thread was supposed to be about the new British Service Rifle and as there isn't one on the cards this has been a pretty amusing thread. Reading the 'experts' wish lists whilst they decry this and that based on no relevant or practical experience other than what they've seen on Call of Duty, Son of a Gun or read and watched on the WWW.

[Sixshot6]

Also I'm a lefty. Don't forget about us in the back here. That's why I cry when I see rifles like the Tavor with reversible ejection ports. It can't be that hard to design a rifle with that.

People can learn to shoot right handed, the problem is that you have to expose more of yourself if you want to shoot it round the left side of a building etc. Another design flaw, one that could get you killed.

I don't think I can, the right side of my body doesn't shoulder rifles that well. Its almost like its slightly underdeveloped.

[John MH]

People can learn to shoot right handed, the problem is that you have to expose more of yourself if you want to shoot it round the left side of a building etc. Another design flaw, one that could get you killed.

What's your practical or operational experience with the L85A2?

[Sixshot6]

People can learn to shoot right handed, the problem is that you have to expose more of yourself if you want to shoot it round the left side of a building etc. Another design flaw, one that could get you killed.

What's your practical or operational experience with the L85A2?

At this point I'd like to know if if the SA80 could be redesigned to have a changeable ejection port.

[John MH]

No

[ordnance]

What's your practical or operational experience with the L85A2?

There isn't really much point in answering that, this is an internet forum I could make it up as I go along. Read my posts and feel free to point out what I posted about the rifle that you disagree with, and why you disagree I think that would be more useful. Is there any other rifles out there at this time that would have enough of a advantage over the SA/80 to justify changing it, probably not especially after the money and investment that has being put into it. PS What happened to the other great design the L86 Light Support Weapon.