bigfathairybiker wrote:What is wrong with the first jag?
Mark
Probably me using it wrong!

But i just can't get the patch to stay on unless its soaking in cleaner, and even if i do get it on i can never seem to exert any force on the rod without it either coming off, getting jammed or feeling like i'm about to wreck my rifling

I also like to use the 'normal' eyelet jag as you can go backwards as well as forwards for cleaning the chamber, or for coating the barrel with a smaller/loose patch
Are these the mystical spear tip jags of which you speak;
Can you get them for Bisley/PH rods?