.223 advice on choice

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.223 advice on choice

#1 Post by mick miller »

Okay, don't flame me (first post and all that) but let me explain a little of what I'm after. It may well be that a compromise doesn't exist at all…

I currently shoot a 243 with a hunting barrel for fox and deer. I use a 70gn Ballistic tip for fox and a 100g soft point for fallow deer. The 70 grainers are my first developed home load and will give 5 shots in a 5p at 100 yards consistently. I just use a factory load for the soft points, the grouping is much wider, think 4 in a 2" circle, but good enough for what they're used for and I know what to dial in when switching between the two.

To develop the loads I joined BPRC, which allowed me to test a few types of cartridge and powder weights to see which was best. I always thought I would not enjoy paper punching but, the combination of developing your own load and target shooting appeals to me, a lot, I've just found out. Plus, there's a good few guys to have a bit of banter with which for the most part, my shooting to date has lacked.

So, I thought about getting a 223 which was more dedicated to range work, however, I would also likely use this forfox and perhaps rabbit shooting on the places where I don't need to pick all the dead rabbits up, as I would imagine a .223 round won't leave a lot of useable meat behind, still, the buzzards should enjoy the bounty.

I figured that the best choice would be the lighter grained bullets, as I already have 70gn upwards covered in 243. So, maybe 40 to 55gn for the .223. I looked at a few and seem to think that the Remmy 700 Police would be about the best choice. A 1 in 9 twist means I can shoot the mid range weight bullets and perhaps a little heavier/ lighter, a heavy barrel allows me to shoot multiples on the range without problems associated with a lighter hunting barrel. I've been advised that the offerings like the Savage Model 12 and Sako 85 only really suit the heavier weight bullets with their 1 in 12 twists (although Sako state the 223 is available in 8" 10" & 12")?

So, my question is really, would this rifle be a good compromise between range work to maybe 300 yards, and varmint work out in the field? Or is there a better choice straight out of the box that would meet both requirements? What would be the best choice, bearing in mind the wallet wouldn't support a cupboard full of dedicated rifles for purely range work just yet. I'd rather have something that needs just a little fettling than something that will need frequent trips to a gunsmith to bring it up to scratch.

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#2 Post by DaveB »

"I've been advised that the offerings like the Savage Model 12 and Sako 85 only really suit the heavier weight bullets with their 1 in 12 twists." Don't know you told you that one, Mick, but a 1-in-12 twist in .223 does NOT suit heavier bullets. Quite the opposite. To shoot heavier bullets you need a faster twist than 1-in-12.

I have a Savage 110FP in .223 which has the 1-in-9 twist and it will handle up to 77 grain just fine, but if you want to shoot heavier bullets you either need to drive them very fast (which has a whole host of pressure problems associated with it) or change to a faster twist like 1-in-8. On the other hand some 1-in-9 twist barrels struggle to stabilise even 77 grain ammunition like Black Hills Mk 262 - it seems to be very dependant on the individual barrel.

The Remington 700 Police looks a good place to start - it will do nicely for range work, and can double in the field, though at 9 pounds before you even mount a scope and a bipod, you may wish it were lighter for field work. I have a Remington 700 SPS Tactical in .308 - which is somewhat similar tot he 700 Police - and after I had some work done on it (including converting it to a detachable box magazine), it shoots like a dream.
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#3 Post by mick miller »

Sorry regarding the twist, this was my cock up. I meant to say only suit the lighter bullets. I'm predominantly looking to shoot 40-55gn bullets with this rifle, not sure if that's a good choice for the range though as the general trend is toward heavier bullets that retain stability at longer distances.

I have the choice of a Sako 85 in 1 in 10 twist (http://www.sako.fi/sako85models.php?varmintlamss) or..

The Remmy 700 with a lovely GRS Stock with a 1 in 9 (http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sal ... 9100209001) or…

The Savage Model 12 (http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/finder/) with a 1 in 9 twist.

I'm thinking any of these three would suit mid range, 40 - 55gn bullets but possibly cope with heavier. All would be suited to range work I think, but my heart leans toward the GRS stocked Remmy 700 as these are so easily tweaked to suit the shooter.

In the expert opinion of those on here are all three okay choices for both range work and varmint shooting (not too bothered about weight, any walked shooting of rabbits tends to be done with a really lightweight HMR), so this would either be on the range or from a vehicle.
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#4 Post by mag41uk »

A friend has a standard 700, not sure which model, and he uses 69smk out to 900.
Another friend has a T3 super varmint and hits fig11 on a good day out to 1000 with it.

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#5 Post by tackb »

I had a 1-9 remmy 700 , would stabilise from 40g to 69g matchkings and shot well to 600.

I currently run a sako 75 with a 1-8 which stabilises 40g to 75g AMAX .

you are welcome to try my sako 75 if your coming on the 31st to barton road (I'm running the range but i'll bring some rifles anyway)

I also have an assortment of ammo that you could try in your gun when you get it to get a feel for the weight it likes ?

if you reload I'd be looking at the 53g amax for your purpose.
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#6 Post by mick miller »

I should be there on the 31st TackB. I'll be bringing my 243 as I still want to make sure my cold barrel zero is bob on. Having just got my personal tax bill through for this year I think I may be delaying the purchase for a month or two! But it would be good to look at the Sako, I hear the triggers are pretty much bob on straight out of the box.

Thank you everyone else for your comments, I'm leaning toward that GRS stocked 700, seems like it would meet both requirements and at least I wouldn't need to buy another stock for it, maybe just get the trigger sorted with an aftermarket unit.
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#7 Post by 20series »

Remmy 700 is a good way to go with lots of add ons available.

my 308 went through various incarnations,

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#8 Post by mick miller »

Yes, I'm led to believe that it's the most common platform for a variety of tweaks, which is a good thing, rather than having to leave it pretty much as it left the factory.
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#9 Post by mick miller »

@20series - My favourite of those pics was the one with the Kydex cheek piece. :p
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#10 Post by Sim G »

20series wrote:Remmy 700 is a good way to go with lots of add ons available.

my 308 went through various incarnations,

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