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We're being savaged by lettuces

#1 Post by Gaz »

The Lib Dems are attacking shooting and calling for firearms licensing fees to be hiked... again. Ties in with the Minister for UFOs' whisperings to the Sunday Times.

Here's the latest, from their London assembly member Caroline Pidgeon:
One small but important contribution to tackling the financial challenges facing the Met would be if the police force no longer had to subsidise gun owners.

It is now widely accepted that the fees charged for licensing firearms are nowhere near the level needed to cover costs to the police of operating a licensing system and making home security checks...
(cont. ad nauseam pg 94, at http://www.mayorwatch.co.uk/its-time-fo ... un-owners/)

I felt moved to respond in the comments section:
It’s really quite strange how Pidgeon only quotes the figure for income for grants of firearm certificates, not taking into account the significant income from renewals and variations. It’s bizarre, really, because she even notes that renewals cost £40 a time. And from the wording of her question to the Mayor, as well as the wording of the Labour person’s question, the figures that Pidgeon oh-so-happily quotes seem to cover firearm certificates alone. Anyone with more than a narrow vote-grabbing interest in this topic would know that firearm and shotgun certificates are two separate areas of the Firearms Enquiry Team’s work, both of which are accounted for separately.

Pidgeon’s example of fishing licences is, unfortunately for her, a highly flawed comparison. Anglers who pay the steep annual cost of a fishing licence are funding the upkeep of the rivers and other waterways they fish on. A fishing licence partly goes towards funding Firearm and shotgun certificate revenue, in contrast, is not used for the upkeep of rifle ranges, clay pigeon grounds or other shooting grounds such as grouse moors. It all goes straight back to the licensing authority. Full cost recovery does not operate in many areas of British public life, recognising that all taxpayers already contribute towards the cost of public services provided by the police. Unless, of course, Pidgeon wants all users of police services to start paying more. A robbery callout surcharge, perhaps?

One significant area of public life where agitators keep demanding the full cost recovery principle be brought to bear is in the issuing of driving licences. Since the backend systems used to record the issuing of driving licences were computerised, driving licence fees payable by applicants fell by a third: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/driv ... es-to-fall

I would have expected someone with a genuine interest in firearms licensing matters, as Pidgeon clearly wants readers to think she is, to throw her support behind the firearms licensing ecommerce project – which has the potential to cut fees to a similar degree as those for driving licences – instead of throwing around headline numbers which in themselves do not paint the full picture. The ecommerce project, headed by the police, aims to replace tens of thousands of manual paper files used by firearms licensing departments with a national computerised system, thereby increasing public safety, reducing public expenditure and eliminating waste and inefficiency.

The ecommerce system would help all UK police forces reduce their expenditure on firearms licensing to the levels enjoyed by South Wales Police, who are able to issue a certificate for £67 – and that figure is under the current arrangements, suggesting that the Met have a large number of inefficiencies in their processes: http://www.south-wales.police.uk/wp-con ... 123_13.pdf

Perhaps Pidgeon would care to talk to the shooting community – who are tax paying voters, of course – before firing at them from the hip. Staying in touch with voters and constituents would help her avoid shooting herself in the foot again.
That almost certainly won't get published - the guy who runs that website is quite the lefty himself and loves nothing more than bashing what he sees as his class enemies. But what the hell, countering the sort of nonsense peddled by Lib Dems is a vital public service. :twisted:
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#2 Post by Charlie Muggins »

If he loves class warfare then point out the historical connection between the working class and the rifle.
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#3 Post by Tommygunn »

I like your comment, which I could see when I followed the link.

Have to say it does wind me up somewhat the suggestion that the police should, as you note, be seperately funded by licence holders to do their job, for which they are already paid by taxpayers which we all are.

Interesting note also highlighting not only how inefficient some forces apparently are but how this might easily be remedied
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#4 Post by ovenpaa »

I am impressed Gaz, you reply was published. Well done for fighting the corner!
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#5 Post by huntervixen »

Ditto, well done again Gaz, I am personally looking forward to the the wet Lib Dems getting their collective arses handed to them in the next General election, would someone please point out to me what exactly is democratic about having a deputy Prime minister originating from a party that came a very distant third in a two horse race !
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#6 Post by targetman »

"We're being savaged by lettuces"....love it......as good as Margaret Thatcher's comment about "being savaged by a dead sheep".....

Lets face it, the LibDems don't like anything that came about later than about the year 1650.....

They would have us all dressed in uniform sacking, wearing rope sandals, walking everywhere, eating macrobiotic freshly knitted yoghurt and living in goat skin yurts.....except of course for their rich and priviledged leaders....who deserve so much more than us serfs....
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