Seems our laws aren't all that bad.

[DaveB]

I am utterly disgusted by the hunters here who say that they just can't understand why anybody would want an AR15 and don't care if they ban them because they are perfectly happy with a bolt-action.

Well that certainly isn't me brother as there are more than a couple of both deer and coyotes that have fallen from a shot from one of my AR15's. They've been used for hunting on many an occasion and fine hunting rifles they are too.

Blu

Blu, by 'here' I didn't mean the Forum, I meant NZ (where unfortunately I do sometimes hear sentiments like that from shooters).

Dave

[Blu]

I am utterly disgusted by the hunters here who say that they just can't understand why anybody would want an AR15 and don't care if they ban them because they are perfectly happy with a bolt-action.

Well that certainly isn't me brother as there are more than a couple of both deer and coyotes that have fallen from a shot from one of my AR15's. They've been used for hunting on many an occasion and fine hunting rifles they are too.

Blu

Blu, by 'here' I didn't mean the Forum, I meant NZ (where unfortunately I do sometimes hear sentiments like that from shooters).

Dave

Dave, yeah I got what you meant mate and understood you didn't mean here on the forum. I just meant that I see nothing wrong with hunting with an AR type rifle especially where the coyotes are concerned when there has been more than one of them, makes for some great action and quicker second/third shots at any other coyotes around. Like I said I have used an AR on whitetail deer also and it's always put them down no problem.

Blu

[Chapuis]

Sorry Dave but I misunderstood you, I thought you meant here on the forum. None the less I stick with what I say and am appalled by any shooter who just because he or she isn't interested in a particular form of firearm is prepared to sell others down the river.
This is what has happened in the past with the NRA and BDS in this country, resulting in long term loathing of both organisations in some quarters. Many shooters have very long memories and continue to hold those associated with these organisations today as being held accountable for poor decisions made by their predecessors.

[Charlotte the flyer]

I'm in a similar situation to Halodin in that I've only known straight pull rifles, that's why I personally like the SLRs, L98 etc where as others who had the semi auto versions hate them with a passion.

I know some pistol shooters and a lot of them are still, even now, very bitter about what happened. You can see how emotional they are when they talk about it, if they banned military looking rifles in the future I dare say that I'd be just as livid.

I will admit to having a personal issue with the .22 Uzi but I'd stand by anyone's right to own one if they wish to.

[HALODIN]

Thanks for a good reply. Can I suggest that 2 negatives in this case, don't make a positive. By being anti the anti's you are in fact causing further division, I know this is an emotional response to the initial comment, but it doesn't help build the common front you mentioned.

"We, as shooters, can't seem to understand that we need to present a common front."

I think these comments are innocent, I've probably unknowingly made a few myself, but I think what's key here, is to gently educate people why that sort of an opinion my affect all shooters in the future. Using terms like disgust infuses further alienation IMO. As an example and as a parent, my son responds really well when I explain why something should or shouldn't happen, but my military father used to bark his orders at me. I always try and keep my son onside, even when he's done something wrong.

There's so much knowledge on this forum, I think sometimes we're quick to assume we've all got 10-20-30 years of shooting under our belt and to make a statement that could be detrimental to the sport, is made by a knowledgeable poster. It might not be the case.

Me, I've only been shooting for 18 months, still very much in the learning category and if I make a faux pas, all I need is for someone to explain what I've done wrong in a way I can understand, then I won't make the same mistake twice.

Hope I haven't labeled the point.

I will take a stab at why he's disgusted - the same reason I am utterly disgusted by the hunters here who say that they just can't understand why anybody would want an AR15 and don't care if they ban them because they are perfectly happy with a bolt-action.

The "I don't mind if they ban pistols (or semi-autos, or pumps, or what-have-you), because I don't have one" crowd - are a bunch of collaborators as far as I am concerned.

We, as shooters, can't seem to understand that we need to present a common front. It doesn't matter if you don't happen to have a particular type of firearm - you need to stand up and defend the shooters who do (or at the very least stop giving 'aid and comfort to the enemy' by saying that you don't care if they ban it). What we all need to keep in mind is that the anti-gun crowd are just like religious zealots - there's no satisfying them - EVER. Once they have successfully banned one type of gun, they will inevitably move on to trying to ban another type, and another, and another until there are no firearms left at all.

As Thomas Paine said: "If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately".

[walesdave]

To get the thread back on track.... :lol:

The laws in Israel are much tougher than here in a couple of ways while laxer in others....
Maximum of 2 firearms owned for target shooting
Concealed carry now much more strictly controlled than in the past. Good reason condition required and "Because I want to" doesn't cut it anymore
Maximum of 50 rounds to be possessed at any one time (this is for a CCW permit not sure about target shooting).

BTW: while pulling the trigger of my Walther .22 Uzi as fast as I can and attempting to get my mag changes as quick as possible I try to keep my disdain for single shot bolt action rifles hidden as I wouldn't want to offend the "5 rounds an hour" members of my club any more than I already do clapclap because as Charlotte says.....that is anyones' right if that's what floats their particular boat.
I say 600 rounds of .22RF to demolish a dozen 4 pint milk jugs is precision enough for me tongueout