FAC cert definitions.

[bigfathairybiker]

Ok, I've just had my FAC certificate delivered but I forgot to ask about the definitions.

They have rewritten my list with a more "better worded" list.

I did put .22LR as the calibre which has been replaced with .22RF which I understand.
Where I put "7.62x54" they added an "R".. I think... cant remember what I put actually.
Where I put "bolt action rifle" this has been replaced with "Rifle".

So... does "Rifle" mean any legally obtainable .22RF Rifle ? Bolt action or semi auto or underlever.

What do you have on your licence for a bolt action or semi auto or under lever?

What has been added was a .22RF Sound Moderator and they also rounded up my ammo hold count considerably. Which was nice.

Mark

[Fedaykin]

Well technically .22lr means something different from .22rf.

You could easily argue that you are entitled to a .22wmr now!

Funnily I have just checked my ticket, I applied for .22lr which is the correct technical name for the cartridge I wanted but it says .22RF on mine as well. Never even thought about it.

I know there is a school of thinking among some who shoot in the UK that you should just apply for the general calibre rather then the exact cartridge. So for example putting down .30 on the application then later buying say . 7.62x54r. Personally I prefer being specific.

[Sandgroper]

Well technically .22lr means something different from .22rf.

You could easily argue that you are entitled to a .22wmr now!

Funnily I have just checked my ticket, I applied for .22lr which is the correct technical name for the cartridge I wanted but it says .22RF on mine as well. Never even thought about it.

I know there is a school of thinking among some who shoot in the UK that you should just apply for the general calibre rather then the exact cartridge. So for example putting down .30 on the application then later buying say . 7.62x54r. Personally I prefer being specific.

Why? It gives you so many more options. My latest variation was approved for a .30 cal rifle.

[Fedaykin]

Well I suppose in the end it depends how your local plod rolls on the matter. For me I generally have a clear idea what I want and see no reason to spark a debate on the matter with my FEO.

[Chapuis]

By putting RF rather than long rifle which is by far the most common rimfire round they have given you the option of purchasing any of the .22 rimfire rifles such as one chambered in .22short, .22long, .22long rifle or even .22wrm. Also by simply putting rifle they have not restricted you to rifle type so you can't complain on either count. Sometimes I think shooters actually restrict themselves too much in their applications by being too specific.

The r in 7.62x54r stands for rimmed.
Sounds like they have been quite sensible to me.

[bigfathairybiker]

Marvellous... :)

Unfortunately I've just noticed that they have also made me one month younger.
Suppose its best not to buy anything just yet....

Mark

[snayperskaya]

I put down 7.62x54r etc as I knew pretty much what I wanted.I recently put in a variation for a 7.62x54r Bolt Action Rifle (as I knew I wanted another Mosin) and it came back as a permission for a 7.62x54r Rifle, no mention of the action.One of my slots is for a .308/7.62 (filled with a 7.62 Nato Lee Enfield) and when my certificate came back last week it now says .308/7.62x51
I'm under West Mercia and they seem to prefer calibre and cartridge dimensions.

[Chapuis]

Marvellous... :)

Unfortunately I've just noticed that they have also made me one month younger.
Suppose its best not to buy anything just yet....

Mark

Mark it wouldn't stop me from buying as it is obviously just a typo but its easy enough to just email them and point out the mistake, and then return the offending document when they send you a replacement.

Snaperskya many forces seem to be now putting down .308win/7.62mm or .223rem/5.56mm which is something that some have resisted doing in the past and as a result prevented shooters from purchasing the military or civilian alternatives to what they had listed on their certificates. It seems that common sense has prevailed and they simply leave it to the shooter to deal with any compatibility issues.

[Demonic69]

The home office guidance talks specifically about .22RF so all firearms forces should stick with it in my opinion. There is also no mention of chambering, only calibre so this should also be adhered to. But then if they all did it right there'd be no ammunition for the likes of the ACPO (now defunct) to push for a rise in profits, I mean fees :-)

I don't read my own signature!

[Charlotte the flyer]

Try and keep it as vague as your force will allow. I had just "7.62" and originally wanted an envoy but eventually filled the slot with a Mosin-Nagant.