dromia wrote:Blu many of us would put time in to help challenge the situation, letters to MPs etc but the real weakness for shooters in the UK is lack of leadership and co-ordination. One naturally looks to or "national" bodies on this but it is sorely lacking not just now but in the past, shooters perhaps could make difference if mobilised but there is no one at present to do that.
Dromia, I agree mate and how many times have I said that on here. I still believe that you the sportsmen have to do it yourselves and I still believe that you have the numbers to do it. Sure it will take commitment, time and a lot of hard work mate, but I believe it can be done. Given what you say and what I've read about what representation you have now, I don't see what other alternatives you have.
Alpha1 wrote:Apparently this was agreed between the NRA and MOD after they spent millions of our taxpayers money to install Nato standard target marking systems.The view is that we are not to be trusted to use the system in a competent none destructive manner. Well done the NRA for your support and consultation. This has ruined our 2014 shooting bookings.
OK right
Today I went to General Council and asked everyone there (Trustees, Chief Executive etc) if this rumour was true.
It is not! Absolutely 100% not!
I am sure Iain will be on the case when he gets back to work
Dannywayoflife wrote:Why can't the NRA set up another site elsewhere?
Um they tried a few years back - Dechmont in Scotland - a lot of work went into it by Glynn Alger (previous Secretary General) but unfortunately it came to nothing.
I don't remember the reasons why but can probably find out although I do remember the locals weren't that interested as they wanted to build their own range somewhere else.
Alpha1 wrote:I wont be fighting to over turn the Pistol Ban in the UK because as I have all ready stated it is a waste of time and I don't understand what that as got to do with this issue. I think enough has been said on that subject there was a long drawn out thread discussing the issue we don't need to go back over it. I have raised my concerns about Civilians not being able to use electronic targets and the lack of information to Clubs leading up to it. So if it is only a local issue affecting the North East that's OK is it. You don't even Live in the UK so what are you so concerned about.
Oh and the Pistol Ban as I said before did affect me it affected me a lot I was right in the middle of it. I fully understand the circumstances surrounding the pistol ban I was there. Not that old conker again.
Well, I don't care about your electronic target problem, it doesn't affect me and I can't see how it can be changed so I'm just not going to bother myself about it. You get worked up if you want to; I'm alright, Jack.
In all honesty, I feel we have a situation where we are being affected by a private company (and that's apart from ACPO!). This is not the first time that a perhaps Landmarc is sticking their nose in with their own brand of restrictions.
Electric targets in the North East, solid slug in the South East......
Is it Landmarc who we should be going after?
In 1978 I was told by my grand dad that the secret to rifle accuracy is, a quality bullet, fired down a quality barrel..... How has that changed?
Guns dont kill people. Dads with pretty Daughters do...!
i can tell you that landmark treat their staff appallingly.......perhaps as with most companies, the top doesn't care so why should the man on the front line...
When someone says "it's not about the money" you know what? it probably is all about money!
TBH I hadn't a clue who Lanmarc were until I googled them. Now then I see they are a private company that manages MOD training land among other things. So does Landmarc own the ETR equipment on the range or is it something they have sold to the MOD. Do they have the authority to ban civilian clubs from using the ETR and if not what makes them think they do.
BTW I see from the web that the contract they have with the MOD was due to expire this year but they have just been granted an extension until February 2015
Sim G wrote:In all honesty, I feel we have a situation where we are being affected by a private company (and that's apart from ACPO!). This is not the first time that a perhaps Landmarc is sticking their nose in with their own brand of restrictions.
Electric targets in the North East, solid slug in the South East......
Is it Landmarc who we should be going after?
Simon, I don't think Landmarc as a private company will give a toss what sportsmen/women think. Could be that you need to get your various shooting organizations on the case of the MOD and see what they say.
Of course it is Landmarc and the MoD that we should be "after". However considering the importance of civilian use of military ranges to shooting in the UK you would imagine that there would be some kind of formal user group mechanism, between the MoD, Landmarc and the NRA or whatever "body" is "leading" on this to manage such developments. If we want to develop shooting across the UK rather than just at Bisley then we need to be proactively engaging with Landmarc MoD on a regular basis so that they understand our needs and we theirs so that when things happen we know about it in advance can put our points forward and help manage the process. This should not have come as a surprise to us, with a proper national mechanism in place that would at least give us a chance of engaging before things were a done deal.
No organisation seems to be proactively looking after our interests in regard to MoD range use and such an initiative should surely be a priority for the NRA.
Come on Bambi get some
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I think there is such a forum between the MoD, Landmarc and the NRA, but Landmarc seem to have got into the "our toybox now, our rules" mentality and impose restrictions first before coming to the table. Perhaps the future range management contract needs a few clauses relating to negotiation, consultation and promulgation added.
