Repealing the Firearms (Amendment) No.2 Act

[Sim G]

We are also on Facebook, only another 200 Likes to our next prize draw, which will begin when we hit 3k likes :-)

"3K likes"..... The last petition I seem to remember, struggled to get into four figures. 3K likes may double the last effort but it's a long, long way off to either the 100K required for parliamentary consideration. And even then, what level or depth of consideration has to be give?

I applaud your efforts in trying to do something to restore pistol shooting, but a petition is not the way. We have to think outside the box. We have to be imaginative. We have to take this head on... A "failed" petition could also be used against us in any concerted future attempts. We don't have numbers full stop. There are around three quarters of a million firearm and shotgun certificates in force. In 1997 we only had 60000 of shoot pistols. The BASC has around 130000 members, but the NRA about 4000 if memory serves. We are tiny. Petitions are about numbers and we don't have them, especially when we are wanting Government/Parliament to change the law in our favour and particularly to liberalise items that have become objects of fear in our society...

[Blu]

We at Firearms UK agree so much we went out and did it, now becoming an Association on 1st March, we are dedicated to supporting all forms of legal firearms ownership and shooting and encourage unity and positive action at every opportunity.

Erika, it sounds like a very positive first step, however I believe there is one further thing you will need in your armoury. You will need to take legislative action if needs be, here in the US we have found that taking the authorities and the antis to court is sometimes (usually) the only way to go. Yep it'll cost a lot of money to do so but if you can get the majority of sportsmen/women under your umbrella, have a membership fee much like the US NRA and be seen to fight the good fight no matter what, you'll be on a winner. For a start I'd encourage every shooter in the UK to write to their MP irrespective of political party and tell them that you are withdrawing any vote/support for them and their party and that the UKIP is looking good. Not saying to actually go out and vote for UKIP but the thought of all those shooters doing it just might give them something to think on as that's a heck of a lot of votes.

Blu

[Alpha1]

It has nothing to do with "need and everything to do with the fact that they shouldn't have been banned in the first place. The majority of the law abiding should never be punished because of a wrong doing minority. But hey, you're okay JACK

Blu

Well of course they should not of been banned in the first place. Yes the majority of the law abiding should never of been punished because of a wrong doing of a minority. BUT I WAS ONE OF THE LAW ABIDING MAJORITY WHO GOT PUNISHED BECAUSE OF THE WRONG DOING OF A MINORITY. I was there I witnessed it I went through it first hand and that's why I can tell you that you are wasting your time you WILL NEVER LEGALLY OWN HAND GUNS IN THE UK. Live with it move on.

[Erika]

Alpha1 wrote:


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Gaz wrote:

The real problem, though, is neutralising shooters who actively disagree with legalising pistols.

Their clubs should expel them...
#personanongrata

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I don't mind signing petitions all though I believe that pistol shooting in the Uk will never happen and you are wasting your time.
What concerns me more is remarks like the quote above. I have been doing this for quite a while now people like this guy worry me. It worries me that he holds a firearms certificate with that sort of attitude. I am so glad I am not a member of the same shooting club as him/her what ever.

I personally have a much bigger issue with the view you express above tbh. Expressing solidarity for fellow shooters does not in anyway equate to that person being a risk or somehow unsuited to own firearms, and to think otherwise is has ridiculous has it is offensive.

It is such attitudes that will destroy shooting, the anti's don't care what, how or where you shoot or how you justify it, they will come for everyone eventually, the only thing that stops them is the strength of the shooting community, division weakens the very foundation of what keeps us alive, taking issue with that division is not absurd but purely logical.

I have first hand experience of such attitudes and believe they are routed in fear, and a mistaken belief that you are stand on firmer ground if you don't make a fuss, and appease the opposition; such an approach hasn't worked yet, nor will it now... and I personally find it disgusting that someone would draw into question someones suitability to own firearms based on nothing more than a difference of opinion in an online discussion.

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A difference of opinion did you read the above quote.

The real problem, though, is neutralising shooters who actively disagree with legalising pistols.

Their clubs should expel them...

That is not a difference of opinion that is some one who wants to disbar some one from his/her shooting club the old Guy who has shot TR for the last twenty years since they took his hand guns of him who now has no interest in going back there should be dis barred because he has no interest in handguns. You have just lost my support young lady. how long have you been shooting what is your primary club what disciplines do you shoot what firearms do you own who is your FAC licencing authority. You do have a fire arms licence of course otherwise how would you know what you were talking about. You have owned and shot hand guns competitively of course you do know what the different competions course of fire are. When you manage to reinstate hand guns I will be happy to help you to get all the disciplines of the ground I shot most of them and did very well at it. As did all the Guys I shoot with on a regular basis.

That is entirely a difference of opinion, in a nutshell:

Commenter A thinks "if you don't support me, you should be kicked out of your club"

Has commenter B you could have gone with "You won't win support with that argument, what a ridiculous thing to say..."

But instead you went with:

"I don't believe you should even have firearms at all"

Clearly quotes are not verbatim, but that is the crux of the matter... and again with this post because you disagree with me, you then go off on a diatribe about me personally, has if my own experiences should some how validate your own opinion.

Such attitudes hold the community back, and foster ill feeling between those who should be supporting each other. As a firearms owner/shooter I support you, I don't wish you to loose what you have now, or what you may wish to pursue into the future; that is my position.

[Gaz]

That is not a difference of opinion that is some one who wants to disbar some one from his/her shooting club the old Guy who has shot TR for the last twenty years since they took his hand guns of him who now has no interest in going back there should be dis barred because he has no interest in handguns.

If you want to delude yourself that "neutralise" means I'm going to rock up in a black maria at 5am and do your door in or organise a mob to physically throw old farts out of rifle clubs across the country (anyone got a crane for hire?), then go and call plod now.

Or, be sensible and admit you knew full well I'm talking about shutting up the minority of shooters who think throwing others to the wolves will keep their disciplines safe from the antis. "We" are our own biggest enemy when it comes to things like this, and by "we" I mean the active gloom and doom merchants who still think this is 1997 and nothing will ever change. If you can't find anything constructive to say, pipe down.

"Lead, follow or get out of the bloody way"

[Alpha1]

Erika
So you do shoot then you do hold a firearms certificate you have shot hand guns competitively and this is what drives you to want them re instated otherwise what would be your interest. What is your primary Club if you live Local may be you would like to attend one of our guest days and discuss your views with my fellow club members our oldest member was at Dunkirk and was a career soldier the rest of the Guys have been shooting for a average of 30 years.

[Erika]

We are also on Facebook, only another 200 Likes to our next prize draw, which will begin when we hit 3k likes :-)

"3K likes"..... The last petition I seem to remember, struggled to get into four figures. 3K likes may double the last effort but it's a long, long way off to either the 100K required for parliamentary consideration. And even then, what level or depth of consideration has to be give?

I applaud your efforts in trying to do something to restore pistol shooting, but a petition is not the way. We have to think outside the box. We have to be imaginative. We have to take this head on... A "failed" petition could also be used against us in any concerted future attempts. We don't have numbers full stop. There are around three quarters of a million firearm and shotgun certificates in force. In 1997 we only had 60000 of shoot pistols. The BASC has around 130000 members, but the NRA about 4000 if memory serves. We are tiny. Petitions are about numbers and we don't have them, especially when we are wanting Government/Parliament to change the law in our favour and particularly to liberalise items that have become objects of fear in our society...

Well we are open to suggestions on the way forward, and I agree that failed petitions can do us a disservice, even impact us into the future, but people want pistols back and without a serious attempt at addressing this, we will continue to see numerous arguably poor attempts produced each year doing us no good at all and dividing the vote between them.

If you would like to drop me an e-mail we can discuss specifics of a campaign and our or any other petition, erika@firearmsuk.org

[Blu]

nd that's why I can tell you that you are wasting your time you WILL NEVER LEGALLY OWN HAND GUNS IN THE UK. Live with it move on.

Yeah that's what they said over here in Washington DC, parts of Illinois, parts of California and whole host of anti gun States and cities, but guess what? They like you were wrong, the people fought to have unjust laws repealed and repealed they were. Like you those people also owned pistols only to have them stolen by the State, but unlike you they were willing to fight back and have those unjust laws repealed. Unlike you they didn't just lay down and die and say "it'll never happen" they made it happen through the ballot box, through the courts and through the NRA.

So don't tell me it'll never happen. I've seen it happen.

Blu

[Ares590]

nd that's why I can tell you that you are wasting your time you WILL NEVER LEGALLY OWN HAND GUNS IN THE UK. Live with it move on.

Yeah that's what they said over here in Washington DC, parts of Illinois, parts of California and whole host of anti gun States and cities, but guess what? They like you were wrong, the people fought to have unjust laws repealed and repealed they were. Like you those people also owned pistols only to have them stolen by the State, but unlike you they were willing to fight back and have those unjust laws repealed. Unlike you they didn't just lay down and die and say "it'll never happen" they made it happen through the ballot box, through the courts and through the NRA.

So don't tell me it'll never happen. I've seen it happen.

Blu

crucial difference, you have the second amendment and a generally accepted (even by a lot of people on the anti side) right to keep and bear arms.

[HALODIN]

I've always liked that phrase.

"Lead, follow or get out of the bloody way"