Police officer shoots himself in the leg holstering pistol

[Demonic69]

What about a gravity activated safety, tilt the gun forward, safety on!

You have lost me with that one.

It seems most of these NDs are when holstering the pistol, surely some clever sod could design a safety that automatically applies when the gun is tilted forwards past a certain angle

[ordnance]

It seems most of these NDs are when holstering the pistol, surely some clever sod could design a safety that automatically applies when the gun is tilted forwards past a certain angle

I see what you are saying, the problem would be if you wanted to shoot down at something. You wouldn't want the safety to come on.

Apologies to Ordanance.

The safety device built into the Glock trigger is a joke, I have seen people have more problems pulling the trigger on the Savage.

DM

No problem.

[Blu]

How the hell are these guys shooting themselves in the leg? Now unless the Police are doing trigger jobs on these guns I'm fecked if I know how this is happening unless they have their finger on the trigger when holstering the gun. The trigger pull weight on the Glocks is over 5lbs (5.5lbs). When I practice drawing and firing my Glock 21, I do it with a coat on or with a shirt on covering the gun. I have done this christ knows how many hundreds of times and to date I haven't shot myself or even had the gun go click when dry firing.

So unless the guns have had trigger jobs done on them I can only conclude that these guys aren't thinking about it when holstering the gun because it takes a bit of effort for that trigger to pull all the way back and for the gun to go bang.

Blu

[nickb834]

This might be a really dumbq - why are they holstering the gun made ready - ie one up the spout, why not just mag on and not made ready?

Perhaps different when you're patrolling a warzone, but then I think I'd have the thing made ready and drawn rather than holstered if I was in Afghan.

On the mean streets of the UK, then surely there's a spare second when exiting an armed response vehicle to make ready.

Apologies if I've missed a really obvious point as to why it's so necessary for armed police to have one up the spout in the holster.

[kennyc]

How the hell are these guys shooting themselves in the leg? Now unless the Police are doing trigger jobs on these guns I'm fecked if I know how this is happening unless they have their finger on the trigger when holstering the gun. The trigger pull weight on the Glocks is over 5lbs (5.5lbs). When I practice drawing and firing my Glock 21, I do it with a coat on or with a shirt on covering the gun. I have done this christ knows how many hundreds of times and to date I haven't shot myself or even had the gun go click when dry firing.

So unless the guns have had trigger jobs done on them I can only conclude that these guys aren't thinking about it when holstering the gun because it takes a bit of effort for that trigger to pull all the way back and for the gun to go bang.

Blu

it seemed to happen quite regularly in New York, guess we aren't the only ones zzzzom

[Blu]

Kenny. it has to be they have their fingers on the triggers when holstering, either that they are messing around with the guns. The Glock trigger isn't exactly a light trigger unless a trigger job has been done on it.

Blu

[kennyc]

and if the safety catch is left off? :cool2: just as likely as forgettting to make sure the holster is clear of obstructions, the poor bugger got caught by Sods Law!

You call it sods law , I call it negligence . Safety devices on any mechanical device are to help cut down on incidents not stop them. If it happened like you said than a applied safety catch could have prevented the incident. Could it not. ? If you point is that these things happen, the logic of that would be remove all safety devices from anything that has them as there is no point accidents happen . Do you not think safety catches have prevented unintentional discharges. ?

The Glock does not have a manual safety.

That's the point, it does not have a manual safety.

you see this is my point! safety catches only work if you use them! you only use them if you are trained to use them and follow your training every time! if you can apply a manual safety then you should be able to keep your finger and other bits away from the trigger of a pistol! don't blame the tool, blame the tool using the tool :roll: mistakes happen, its a fact of life,if you know a thing is likely to happen then train to prevent it.

[kennyc]

Kenny. it has to be they have their fingers on the triggers when holstering, either that they are messing around with the guns. The Glock trigger isn't exactly a light trigger unless a trigger job has been done on it.

Blu

I know Blu, fighting a losing battle here sign85 tongueout

[ordnance]

you see this is my point! safety catches only work if you use them! you only use them if you are trained to use them and follow your training every time! if you can apply a manual safety then you should be able to keep your finger and other bits away from the trigger of a pistol! don't blame the tool, blame the tool using the tool

You are missing my point , will a safety stop nd/s every time no . will it stop some yes. Will people forget to put on the safety yes. will they forget every time no . No safety is perfect. Do you deny that safeties have prevented n/ds. ? Would you be happy walking around a clay shoot with a loaded shotgun and no safety. If you were I can assure you the people around you wouldn't be.

blame the tool using the tool :roll: mistakes happen,

Yes mistakes happen, can you not see that's why they put safety devices on all sorts of things. Not just firearms.

[BamBam]

I said earlier that I thought the serpa holsters were to blame, they seem to be pretty much the standard from what I've seen in passing.
In using one last year I hated it within a few minutes of drawing and re-holstering.
It's easy to fall into a bad habit of pushing the button in when re-holstering, so that it's virtually silent.
Problem with that is, your finger is extremely close to the trigger.
I didn't have time to train myself out of that bad habit and I was using a Glock with a trigger job.
Just went and borrowed a normal open top safariland holster.
Anyway, I just wanted to express my concern over serpa & Glock combo.