Primer Selection and Load Validation Test

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EagerNoSkill

Re: Primer Test

#11 Post by EagerNoSkill »

Dangermouse wrote:Tim,
What deference are you looking at, at 1000yards, between your best primer and worst on this test?
That would help me understand the importance of this exersize.
DM

Remember this was done at 200 yards and I did NO wind adjustments - I was focussed on elevation.

The BEST single group was :
Load 5 CCI-BR4
It gave a edge to edge measurement of 1.25 cm Elev = 0.235 moa
The WORST was Load 4 CCI Magnum at 46.6 which gave 3.6 cm Elevation = 0.677 moa

Shot at 1000 yards that would be a meaningful variation.
Remember that 1 moa at 1000 yards is 10.47 inches

At 1000 yards the elevation spread would be extrapolated to:
BEST load = 2.46 Inches and
WORTS = 5.42 inches
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Dangermouse

Re: Primer Selection and Load Validation Test

#12 Post by Dangermouse »

So potentially 10cm's at 1000 yards or 1" for every 100 yards?

What is that in score points from V bull out?

DM
EagerNoSkill

Re: Primer Selection and Load Validation Test

#13 Post by EagerNoSkill »

Dangermouse wrote:So potentially 10cm's at 1000 yards or 1" for every 100 yards?
What is that in score points from V bull out?
DM
1 Moa at 1000 yards is 10.47 inches or 26.6 cm

The V bull gap to the edge of the 4 circle is 0.25 moa.
So missing the edge of V by just over 2.6 inches in Elevation will result in a drop point.

Again NOT a massive difference but in the course of a string 2 or 4 points gone to elevation. :o
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Dangermouse

Re: Primer Selection and Load Validation Test

#14 Post by Dangermouse »

Very interesting...
EagerNoSkill

Re: Primer Selection and Load Validation Test

#15 Post by EagerNoSkill »

The accumulation of errors make it difficult to decide what variable is in play.

During a string if you can trust that your load gives consistent elevation that the variation is coming from :
1. wind/range and/or
2. changing pressure/temp and/or
3. user error

Otherwise you get distracted and chase your own tail and soon lose the plot on the winds / consistent body position etc.
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Re: Primer Selection and Load Validation Test

#16 Post by ovenpaa »

Great post Tim, I have only just had the chance to read this through and it gives some interesting results. Do you have any specific views on LR versus SR primers in the .308?
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Re: Primer Selection and Load Validation Test

#17 Post by pe4king »

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On the subject of primers, do you still want to swap ?, I did PM you
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Re: Primer Selection and Load Validation Test

#18 Post by Maggot »

ovenpaa wrote:Great post Tim, I have only just had the chance to read this through and it gives some interesting results. Do you have any specific views on LR versus SR primers in the .308?
Butting in as I do.....

To be fair the CCIBR4 and Lapma brass is pretty widespread, the only downside is you are looking at about .6gr extra load to offset the smaller primer.

The Palma brass does tend to last and take a beating.

Pitty the suppliers seem fit to shove the prices through the roof!! ****
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