Primer Selection and Load Validation Test

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EagerNoSkill

Primer Selection and Load Validation Test

#1 Post by EagerNoSkill »

Hi All

Primer Selection and Load Validation Test
Following some interesting challenges surround primers and their performance in Raton (USA in August) I decided to validate my primer selection for F-Class shooting (ie up 1000 yards). I decided to shot and measure groups suing different primer brands and loads. I did NOT use a chrono deciding to replicate match environments.

Key questions I wanted answers to were:
1. Is there a meaningful difference between STD vs BENCH vs MAGNUM
2. What worked best in my rifle?
3. Could I confirm my Sweet Spot and what tolerance did I have?
4. Did I have a Primary and Secondary primary that I could readily swop out depending on supply challenges?

How did I test? :
All testing was at 200 yards. Test was conducted in absolute wind still conditions at Bisley in September 2013 suing the same barrel I used in USA.
All tests were for Small Rifle in Lapua cases using Berger Hybrid 155 and H4895. Seating depth was on my "match setting" and kept uniform throughout.
I did a combination of a LADDER test / Primer change. I did loads and shot them up from 47.0 to 47.8.
:o NOTE this my MY rifle load - do NOT replicate. Developed and validate your own. :squirrel:
I loaded 3 rounds per Primer per load. The primer options were shot at random - hence why no letter is always the same primer
As an alternate I also did a small batch with Sierra 2156C to see what happens when you swop a bullet out on a known and hopefully accurate load.

PRIMERS : I sourced selected 5 primers :
STD
Remington & CCI Std
MATCH
CCI BR4 & Federal Gold Match
MAGNUM
CCI-Magnum

DETAILED FINDINGS
I will load the photos per group and a summary spreadsheet with my findings.
Round count was 6 x 15 = 90 Rounds

SUMMARY for my rifle / load combination
CCI-BR4 were consistently the best across all loads and displayed the most uniformity.
FEDERAL Gold Match was a far second.
REMINGTON was the poorest.

I did find a sweet spot where the CCI-BR4 clearly performed better here in the sweet spot zone of loads 3, 4 and 5.
It did HOWEVER fall out of the sweet spot dramatically. Past sweet spot - poorest overall groups !!! :roll: :o
LESSON : I have been shooting the CCI-STD load due to component availability AND poor range discipline!
I.e. I did not double check my loads after I made the changes in powder charge in the search for velocity at the price of accuracy!

The exercise was very worthwhile and validated and changed several assumptions I had. Significant group size difference can de seen with simple primary changes AND across the load range. NOTE : 47.8 + CCI-BR4 is slightly more than USA charge of 47.6 with FED. Besides Batch variations the additional heat factors in USA may have influenced the barrel harmonics in USA.
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TFS Primer Load Test.xls
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Last edited by EagerNoSkill on Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Dangermouse

Re: Primer Test

#2 Post by Dangermouse »

Tim,
What deference are you looking at, at 1000yards, between your best primer and worst on this test?
That would help me understand the importance of this exersize.

Good to see you posting again,

DM
Last edited by Dangermouse on Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.
EagerNoSkill

Re: Primer Selection and Load Validation Test

#3 Post by EagerNoSkill »

Hi Dangermouse

Sorry mate - between Raton / New COntract / Promotion (14 hr days on site + Commute) and house move all in last 4 months!
Been a touch hectic :oops: :cry:

Will answer your questions in next few posts as I finish loading photos of targets

ENS
EagerNoSkill

Re: Primer Selection and Load Validation Test

#4 Post by EagerNoSkill »

Load No 1
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Load 2 of Test
Load 2 of Test
EagerNoSkill

Re: Primer Selection and Load Validation Test

#5 Post by EagerNoSkill »

Load no 2
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Load_2 H4895 47-2 [640x480].JPG
EagerNoSkill

Re: Primer Selection and Load Validation Test

#6 Post by EagerNoSkill »

Load No 3
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Load_3 H4895 47-3 [640x480].JPG
EagerNoSkill

Re: Primer Selection and Load Validation Test

#7 Post by EagerNoSkill »

Load No 4
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Load_4 H4895 47-6 [640x480].JPG
EagerNoSkill

Re: Primer Selection and Load Validation Test

#8 Post by EagerNoSkill »

load No 5
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Load_5 H4895 47-8 [640x480].JPG
EagerNoSkill

Re: Primer Selection and Load Validation Test

#9 Post by EagerNoSkill »

Load No 6
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Load_6 H4895 48-0 [640x480].JPG
EagerNoSkill

Re: Primer Selection and Load Validation Test

#10 Post by EagerNoSkill »

Load no 7 : Sierra 2156C Substitution and Powder change

Dramatic POI changes and only 1 Decent group out of the lot.
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Load_7 Sierra 2156 TR140 45-6 [640x480].JPG
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