A lot of NDs

[tackb]

ND , negligent discharge

please tell me how an inanimate object can be negligent ? surely the fleshy bit holding the inanimate object is negligent?

[froggy]

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Shooting with gloves and dropping the mag while thinking making the gun ready ?

[tackb]

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Shooting with gloves and dropping the mag while thinking making the gun ready ?

operator error still surely?

[froggy]

I dont think so , IMO more to do with the ergonomy of the design .
Based solely on the photo, the two buttons are awfully close to one & other . On a speed reload I am sure the tip of a gloved thumb would venture on the safety one and the other way round the base of the didgit would cover the mag release while actioning the safety ??

[tackb]

no extra caution by the operator when wearing gloves , nd !

where do you stop ? one pistol that is good for my massive bunch of banana fingers would be no good for more dainty hands ? as with any mechanical device ,you learn to operate it safely , you don't injure somebody and then blame the tool.

[froggy]

you don't injure somebody and then blame the tool
Where is that from ? I merely stress the closenest of the 2 butons

where do you stop ? one pistol that is good for my massive bunch of banana fingers would be no good for more dainty hands ?

But of course.
In the army I was issued with weapons, did not have any choice and had to adapt to it.
Civilians and to a certain degree some units, have a choice of the tools they use.
I have a small hand, therefore would not go for a pistol with a mag release that my finger can not naturaly reach without alterning my grip. Or are you actually implying I change my grip to dump a mag on a large frame double stack and then reposition ?

[tackb]

I dont think so , IMO more to do with the ergonomy of the design .
Based solely on the photo, the two buttons are awfully close to one & other . On a speed reload I am sure the tip of a gloved thumb would venture on the safety one and the other way round the base of the didgit would cover the mag release while actioning the safety ??

but still the operators fault if the weapon discharges , if the weapon is not touched then it won't go off

[froggy]

Re-read my post , nowhere I am talking about discharge but unvoluntary mag dump .

[tackb]

you don't injure somebody and then blame the tool
Where is that from ? I merely stress the closenest of the 2 butons

where do you stop ? one pistol that is good for my massive bunch of banana fingers would be no good for more dainty hands ?

But of course.
In the army I was issued with weapons, did not have any choice and had to adapt to it.
Civilians and to a certain degree some units, have a choice of the tools they use.
I have a small hand, therefore would not go for a pistol with a mag release that my finger can not naturaly reach without alterning my grip. Or are you actually implying I change my grip to dump a mag on a large frame double stack and then reposition ?

er yes ? if you need to change your grip to operate the weapon safely then change it ? no brainer to me? or if you have a choice then buy a comfortable weapon that fits your hand size?

I don't get your arguments ? my point is that an operator is the cause of an ND not the weapon.

[tackb]

the whole thread is called A LOT OF ND'S not whoops my mags fell out because I can't operate my weapon properly ?

maybe you need to start a new thread?