Does a primed case count towards your hold limit?

[Mr_Logic]

no permission is needed for either. an FAC is required to buy primers.

[saddler]

I gather then that you'd still need to obtain permission to buy/hold powder and primers

wtfwtf WHY???

TO REPEAT WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN POSTED SEVERAL TIMES...


PRIMERS
IN
LOOSE
FORM
FOR
RELOADING
DO
NOT
NEED
AUTHORISATION
BUT
YOU
MUST
SHOW
AN
FAC
WHEN
PURCHASING

H.S.E.
ALLOW
PRIVATE
STORAGE
OF
UP
TO
15KG
OF
POWDER
FOR
RELOADING
PURPOSES[/b]

Where are you "gathering" contrary information from?

[SevenSixTwo]

NORTHERN IRELAND

[Steve E]

NORTHERN IRELAND

The law concerning components is no different in NI than on the mainland. I suggest that you actually go and speak to some NI shooters that reload and possibly join a club.

[SevenSixTwo]

NORTHERN IRELAND

The law concerning components is no different in NI than on the mainland.

It certainly is different for primers and powder so one couldn't be confident that's the case for other components.

I suggest that you actually go and speak to some NI shooters that reload and possibly join a club.

My club convenes once a month and the only member there who reloads is deployed. Perhaps I'll just keep my questions to myself instead of troubling people here.

[Mattnall]

I gather then that you'd still need to obtain permission to buy/hold powder and primers

wtfwtf WHY???

TO REPEAT WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN POSTED SEVERAL TIMES...


PRIMERS
IN
LOOSE
FORM
FOR
RELOADING
DO
NOT
NEED
AUTHORISATION
BUT
YOU
MUST
SHOW
AN
FAC
WHEN
PURCHASING

Wrong. Sorry to be pedantic but the FAC is authorisation to buy primers. They just don't get listed on your FAC and don't count towards your ammo hold limit.

[Bullseye]

There is also lists of requirement on primers

The buyer needs to show an FAC to buy primer, but an SGC is accept if the ammo your firing like 12g brass magtec which large pistol primers is needed. Unless exempt and can prove it.

exemptions

A crown servant with written permission..

A RFD

Someone who sells primers or "trades" as away of business or trade. is entitlement to purchase primers without certificate. This can be a registered business that sells some shooting gear, and reloading gear, I think you can sell powders without being an RFD. but an MSER is required when the total is over 15kg smokeless & black powder(explosive ticket need for black !) and primers, but this only apply if no other COER1 is stored so having fireworks and fuse, flare etc will void the new rules and 5kg is the limit again. so a mser storage ticket is needed for smokeless powder apply from the police!

It highly likely this business owner will be shown the door if tries to buy from an RFD and can't show an RFD cert or FAC etc.

The MSER 2005 controls how many primers/ other explosive weight limits can be stored in ones house or place! you can store over 1000s primers more then you ammo limits.

Primed cases are subject to the same act as primers.

But 209 primers and muzzleloader caps are exempt! but many RFD ask for certificate, Blanks containing a primer is exempted too. afew people before the VRC act used to re-prime blanks!! but this has total stopped! unless a friendly FAC holder re-primes the case for you.

Theres not restriction on importation on primers, only complete rounds, guns are subjected to an "import" license and FAC etc. on COER1 no import license the HSE are in control!, other than a EU HSE RCA on the package, primers can be add on a EU RCA and import without customs take them. most likely the registered business will take this route along with some individuals. businesses that make a device that uses an odd blank rounds which needs to load their own but loading their own is subject to hse manufacturer license and proofing rules. most like a side ammo/blank makers are contracted out instead for less hassle.

Primer UN code is UN0044 and smokeless powders is UN0161, For the EU RCA to work the country were the primers are coming from must not have export restrictions!! and their department must also agree. The EU RCA is abit different to a normal RCA! most likely a business importing from their factory aboard. the HSE will contact the police if they in doubt!

There is no restrictions in "gifting" or giving primers to a non-license holder! an non licensed holder can buy a reloading press etc and be giving free box of primers in theory!! but this is poor practice!


Primer cases are not a complete round and don't count as a limit! and to this can be held but a non license holder, it concern is when the bullet is pressed into! even without the powder in the case, primed case with bullet is control on an FAC!

However an Chief can put "conditions" on an FAC restricted primers or limits even primed cases yes they can do the chief is in full power to add this on the FAC! breaching this is illegal. but SGC they can't enforce their own conditions. Some forces are add supervision conditions on an FAC too!

expanding bullet heads count as a limit and as a complete round, yes its odd. even giving this to non-license holder or even a FAC target shooter it illegal!! I've found one live hollow point .22lr on range which was illegal for me to pickup it was mistaken for fired brass in prone shooting!

Its worth sharing your conditions on here about primers if there is any! it be nice to here what conditions people have on their tickets?

[Mr_Logic]

my FaC can only restrict me for the restricted items. therefore, no conditions on primers can be added.

[450 Martini]

I had a spot of bother trying to stock up on large pistol primers a few years back, I own a martini henry and a snider enfield for which i convert 24 gauge magtech brass which accepts only large pistol primers. To use rifle primers in this brass would be highly dangerous. A midlands dealership refused to sell me large pistol primers because i did not posess a large pistol calibre firearm on my FAC. I urged them to call the local firearms office, they did and after about 10 minutes talking to the office they eventually sold the required primers to me. I was then told by the vendor i would need to have a special condition added to my FAC to allow me to purchase large pistol primers in future. I dashed off a email to my FEO when i got home and the response was that i was acting legally, and "special conditions" to purchase primers is nonsense, and they disliked it when parts of the shooting community dream up unreal parts of legislation.

[Mattnall]

I dashed off a email to my FEO ........they disliked it when parts of the shooting community dream up unreal parts of legislation.

This made me smile, I have heard more times when plod have tried to make firearms law. :lol: