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#31 Post by M1Charles1M »

Another tragedy at the hands of ineffective Policing. I seem to recall the Police had opportunities to revoke in 1988 and 1997 but failed, was anything learned, no perhaps not, its cheaper and uses less manpower to restrict the law abiding. Police the people correctly, guns do not have free will!

I listened to the BBC report on R4 yesterday evening and I thought for once it was fairly measured in its content, not the ususal rhetoric, the only real inaccuracy was the reference to the Coroner calling for a review of Gun Law when in fact the Coroner was referring to the Licencing system, The BASC corrected that mistake in their response at the time.

The Coroner is right we do need a root and branch review of procedures and UK Firearms legislation, its fragmented and completely out of date, the HASC said the same after their review follwing Bird. The Government are yet to respond to that enquiry.

If the Government were to review the legislation, consolodate it and make it fit for the 21st century perhaps there is an opportunity to correct some of the ill advised and ill conceived amendments that have been made.

Our friends at the Beeb recently referred to a "High Calibre" weapon on local TV news, not familiar with them, any????
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#32 Post by LeighC »

Agree with Sendit - one national body to issue certificates, ALL lethal, barrelled weapons be placed under a single category - Firearms. Potential shooter applies to national body, they consult local police and medical organisations, as long as there are no problems, grant a provisional certificate.

Shooter then goes to club/certified organisation of his choice, gets training in a type of firearm - rifle, pistol, shotgun etc. Certified trainer signs off competency, shooter gets that category added to his licence.

Hang on, it's starting to look like a driving licence..... does that mean that we already have a model in place that has proved to work? How about that?
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#33 Post by SevenSixTwo »

Except that too many people drive like assholes! :lol:
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#34 Post by Sim G »

LeighC wrote: ALL lethal, barrelled weapons be placed under a single category - Firearms.
That will include airweapons then as they fall into that definition. A national organisation, the police, my doctor, a club, a coach all to say if I can shoot my air pistol in the garden.....
In 1978 I was told by my grand dad that the secret to rifle accuracy is, a quality bullet, fired down a quality barrel..... How has that changed?

Guns dont kill people. Dads with pretty Daughters do...!
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#35 Post by LeighC »

Depends on the definition of 'lethal'. Low powered air weapons are currently exempt from FAC as they are not powerful enough to be considered lethal. Is that not true, Sim?
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#36 Post by Sim G »

Case law does exist that defines "lethal", but in regards to firearms legislation, "lethality" is decided by a court. Unfortunately, there are a number of cases recently where people have died as a result of wounds inflicted with an air gun. I can't imagine a court would have any problem with a judgement....

That said, most airguns today are exempt from the FAC system because of the muzzle energy they produce. Air rifles with a ME of less than 12ft/lbs and air pistols less than 6ft/lbs are declared so by the Firearms (Dangerous Air Weapons) Rules 1969. There are ample air rifles on FAC. Air pistols over 6ft/lbs would actually be prohibited under S.5 and in NI all air weapons are "on ticket"....
In 1978 I was told by my grand dad that the secret to rifle accuracy is, a quality bullet, fired down a quality barrel..... How has that changed?

Guns dont kill people. Dads with pretty Daughters do...!
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#37 Post by dromia »

There is proposed legislation in Scotland to put all airguns on FAC. wtfwtf
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#38 Post by Sim G »

Based on the premise of being lethal.....
In 1978 I was told by my grand dad that the secret to rifle accuracy is, a quality bullet, fired down a quality barrel..... How has that changed?

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#39 Post by LeighC »

Sim G wrote:Case law does exist that defines "lethal", but in regards to firearms legislation, "lethality" is decided by a court. Unfortunately, there are a number of cases recently where people have died as a result of wounds inflicted with an air gun. I can't imagine a court would have any problem with a judgement....

That said, most airguns today are exempt from the FAC system because of the muzzle energy they produce. Air rifles with a ME of less than 12ft/lbs and air pistols less than 6ft/lbs are declared so by the Firearms (Dangerous Air Weapons) Rules 1969. There are ample air rifles on FAC. Air pistols over 6ft/lbs would actually be prohibited under S.5 and in NI all air weapons are "on ticket"....
The point is, currently, your air pistol for plinking in the garden is exempt from FAC and, therefore, you would not be disadvantaged by the system I mentioned...... If your air pistol is currently on ticket, then you'd still be no worse off than you are now..........
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#40 Post by Sim G »

Leigh, I commented on what you outlined in "your" system. That's it, "ALL lethal, barrelled weapons be placed under a single category - Firearms." That would include air weapons. I've illustrated why on different levels, your idea is flawed.
In 1978 I was told by my grand dad that the secret to rifle accuracy is, a quality bullet, fired down a quality barrel..... How has that changed?

Guns dont kill people. Dads with pretty Daughters do...!
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