RCO course: Honesty or safety - which matters most?

[karen]

RO (or whoever) gets punished as well if they have broken any of the rules

Love

karen

[LeighC]

Can't for the life of me think why anyone would have a round in the chamber in the car park, whether an RO was clearing a weapon before leaving the FP or not. But my feeling is that training/education would be the correct response in that instance.

For me personally, I clear the weapon before leaving an FP and clear it again when it comes out of the bag to go back in the cabinet. It also gets cleared once more when coming back out of the cabinet before being bagged for travel.

I think I might be OCD........

[Gaz]

This is why I discourage the use of breech flags amongst my club. No breech flag means no bolt. No bolt means no mechanism to hold a round in the chamber or fire it, and so no risk of an ND.

I'd like to see competency cards for ALL classes of firearm automatically revoked after an ND. There is no excuse, with a bolt action rifle at least, for leaving the firing point with a round in the chamber. I admit it's not quite as simple to strip the working parts out of a lever action or semi-auto rifle.

[Charlotte the flyer]

I do the same Leigh. Whilst I possibly may have OCD, those drills were instilled into me by the Air Cadets many moons ago. Anything being passed from one person to another, in or out of a cab (including DP rifles with a big hole drilled through them) were checked by showing the chamber and proving clear. I do the same out of instinct now.

[Blackstuff]

Sorry by an ND on a firing point (and therefore pointed in a safe direction) gets you a 2 year ban?!?!!? wtfwtf Thats beyond harsh in my book. ND anywhere BUT the firing point then thats a different matter.

On a completely unrelated note, i had my first ever ND yesterday tesnews It was with a shotgun using birdshot so not quite the same as a rifle, 'on range' (i.e. pointed in a safe direction). The RO gave me 'the look' and embarrassment prevented it happening again :lol:

I've got it on video if anyone wants me to post it with an explanation of how it happened. Obviously if i'm going to be tracked down, stripped of my FAC and flogged in public i'll not bother :roll: :lol:

[Chuck]

Yes post it, let's see if we can help you figure out what happened - would be interesting to see.

[tackb]

my take

1, more training and supervision until lesson learnt no need to ban him/her because i dont think that will improve there safety.

2, lifetime ban from entering comps but that is no reason for them to be stopped from shooting.

a bit of nameing and shaming wouldn't go amiss either in both cases that way those that want to improve will tough it out and improve those that don't will hopefully move on to golf or something?

as a side note , the only place i've ever been muzzle swept with a loaded rifle or seen an accident is at bisley , which is no surprise with the number of different shooters using the ranges ? difficult but not impossible to sort out though.

actually thats a fib , i was also muzzle swept by an idiot on a skeet range once.

[karen]

Sorry by an ND on a firing point (and therefore pointed in a safe direction) gets you a 2 year ban?!?!!?

Not quite true - not heard of anyone getting a two year ban for an ND on the firing point in a safe direction.

Have heard of on the firing point into the ceiling in Melville and on the firing point in an unsafe direction.

What about ricochets? Have seen ricochets from 600 yards bouncing off 300 yards firing points and going sideways cos someone set sights wrong - how would you punish that? Hands up anyone who has never set their sights wrong . . . anyone? Thought not! That is more likely to result in a severe incident one day than most other things

Love

Karen

[kennyc]

Sorry by an ND on a firing point (and therefore pointed in a safe direction) gets you a 2 year ban?!?!!?

Not quite true - not heard of anyone getting a two year ban for an ND on the firing point in a safe direction.

Have heard of on the firing point into the ceiling in Melville and on the firing point in an unsafe direction.

What about ricochets? Have seen ricochets from 600 yards bouncing off 300 yards firing points and going sideways cos someone set sights wrong - how would you punish that? Hands up anyone who has never set their sights wrong . . . anyone? Thought not! That is more likely to result in a severe incident one day than most other things

Love

Karen

I have been at 300 on Century and had a ricochet squeal past ! I have also seen some dodgy gun handling on Short Siberia, my take on it is that honesty is more important than safety insomuch as without honesty how can you have safety?

[Blackstuff]

Sorry by an ND on a firing point (and therefore pointed in a safe direction) gets you a 2 year ban?!?!!?

Not quite true - not heard of anyone getting a two year ban for an ND on the firing point in a safe direction.

Karen

Sorry, that was a statement of shock that others had suggested someone should be banned for 2 years for having an ND, rather than my surprise at that being an actual in force punishment