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#11 Post by dromia »

HeatherW762 wrote: Has your club actually approached us about running a course for you?

Yep, you are right, our resources are actually being used 'non-equitably' - in favour of the regions! I know it's novel but at least credit us with moving in the right direction - outwards!

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Yes I have approached the NRA about this both directly and via my regional rep and was told that if we organise the facilities ranges etc then the NRA will supply us with a list of assessors in our region for us to arrange with. That doesn't sound like the NRA running a course in our region it sounds like the NRA supplying us with a list.

I would be interested in seeing the calendar of regional courses especially the ones in the NE of England, could you supply me with the link when you have time please?
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dromia wrote:
HeatherW762 wrote: Has your club actually approached us about running a course for you?

Yep, you are right, our resources are actually being used 'non-equitably' - in favour of the regions! I know it's novel but at least credit us with moving in the right direction - outwards!

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Yes I have approached the NRA about this both directly and via my regional rep and was told that if we organise the facilities ranges etc then the NRA will supply us with a list of assessors in our region for us to arrange with. That doesn't sound like the NRA running a course in our region it sounds like the NRA supplying us with a list.

I would be interested in seeing the calendar of regional courses especially the ones in the NE of England, could you supply me with the link when you have time please?
We appoint an assessor in the region but, yes, you do have to organise the facilities as we don't have regional ranges/facilities (yet?).

We organise courses as clubs request them so they aren't advertised on a calendar. However we regularly get 2 or more clubs 'club' together to get enough people together so Maureen may be able to link you up with another course in your area. Just drop her a line, copied to me if you want, and she'll have a look.

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#13 Post by dromia »

Thanks Heather that is my point, NRA staff time goes into organising Bisley courses on a level that it doesn't for local courses.

Why can't the NRA book facilities on behalf of the regions and do the spade work, I am sure the regional reps would supply contacts for suitable ranges and facilities?
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#14 Post by HeatherW762 »

We cannot book MoD ranges locally as we don't have licenses for them, the local clubs have those. If the club owns the range then no booking required. We also recognise the fact that we don't do as much 'spadework' on a regional course and price them a lot less than a Bisley course.

I'm sorry but I really do think you are being incredibly picky just to enjoy your chosen sport of NRA bashing. It would be so nice if you showed some sort of encouragement to the new guys who are trying to get things sorted but it is always so much easier to criticise.

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#15 Post by dromia »

Why doesn't the NRA become licensed to book MoD ranges then?

When clubs do book ranges and facilities for courses do the NRA pay for them?

If you see such real issues as picky then you really have no concept at all about how the vast majority of non Bisley shooters see the NRA.

That is the mountain that the NRA has to climb to have any national relevance and build membership and to dismiss these things is just reinforcing many shooters perceptions of the NRA.

I take no joy in bashing the NRA and you trying to devalue the issues I raise by making it sound that I am doing it for the sake of it gives you no credit.

I want the NRA to work for me and shooting but unless it is honest and open about the myriad of issues and problems it needs to address to stop being a dysfunctional and failing organisation then its chances of improvement are zero.
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#16 Post by karen »

Dromia

You really are way off the mark with this.

I used to be an NRA Assessor in Northern Ireland - the clubs would ask the NRA to book a course, the NRA would contact me and I would arrange the place, date and time because firstly I knew the local facilities, secondly I could liaise with other clubs in my region to see if anyone else wanted to attend the course and thirdly it would need to fit in with the rest of my life. That would take me very little time but would have taken the NRA hours to sort out and then something would probably have gone wrong because someone else would book the range or something.

The NRA would supply me with everything I needed to run the course as well as extra assessors if I needed them.

Personally I would not have wanted the NRA to get any more involved as I had it all under control.

It might change from region to region and it might have changed a bit more since I last did it but it works so don't knock it

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#17 Post by dromia »

Karen I was only repeating what I was told by the NRA and what you have said is not how it would work the club would have to do all the leg work finding and booking ranges not the assessor.

My point is that if you are in the Bisley catchment then the NRA runs the courses and does all the work you just pay your money and then turn up. If you are out with that then its up to you to do the leg work. I am assuming that some of my membership fee goes towards NRA staff costs but if you are outwith the Bisley catchment then you get less benefit from the NRA staff resource.

Its not just me saying this, these are the real issues that you have to deal with if you want to recruit and make membership relevant to people who cannot take advantage of having Bisley on their door step.
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#18 Post by dodgyrog »

Whilst Dromia and I are in the same Club and shoot together, we don't always see eye to eye. However, in this cae I am in agreement with him that I would MUCH prefer to see the NRA book everyting and just advertise a course on XXX day at YYY location - first come, first served!
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#19 Post by karen »

The leg work I had to do was probably several minutes if that.

I used my own clubs outdoor .22 range and clubhouse - I am sure other assessors have their usual places (usually clubs) to do something similar.

You don't need a fullbore or MoD range to run an RCO course - in fact I would say it was safer to run it without any actual shooting taking place just people holding guns (with bolts out of course :roll: ) shouting "bang" at regular intervals. You just need somewhere to act as a classroom and somewhere to act as a subsitute range - I've even done one completely indoors in a telephone exchange!

I am sure if individual regional assessors need help with anything that they will ask and the NRA will help as they always did with me

Think you are knocking the NRA very unnecessarily here

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#20 Post by dromia »

dodgyrog wrote:Whilst Dromia and I are in the same Club and shoot together, we don't always see eye to eye.

Yes we do!
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