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 Post subject: NSRA insurance
PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:34 pm 
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This letter went to a shooting acquaintance of the benchrest persuasion (irrelevant in this instance).

Dear Mr ,

Thank you for your enquiry requesting confirmation of insurance cover for
hand loaded ammunition. After discussion with the insurance brokers I
can confirm that the manufacture and use of hand loaded ammunition is
included in the insurance cover provided as part of the NSRA affiliation.

I can also confirm that the practice of downloading ammunition in order
to use a firearm and ammunition type in a range not normally certified
for the firearm type and ammunition is not covered under the insurance
cover.

I hope this clarifies the situation

Thank you for your continued support

Kind Regards

Ali

Mr ALISTAIR G AITKEN
Range Safety Manager
National Small-bore Rifle Association


I can see a lot of problems ensuing from this as IMO it clarifies nothing!
What does the panel think?

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 Post subject: Re: NSRA insurance
PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:12 pm 
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Ahh. Clear as mud.

Though, think scenario 1,

.338 LM Not permitted on 'x' range due to energy being above 4500j

So, you download it to below 4500j, and for whatever reason, there is an incident.

Now you have to prove that that particular round was 'legal'.

'Can of worms' springs to mind


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 Post subject: Re: NSRA insurance
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Seems pretty clear to me , you can't shoot reduced power ammo , normally used on a fullbore rifle range , on a indoor or gallery range and be insured .

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 Post subject: Re: NSRA insurance
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Oh dear.


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 Post subject: Re: NSRA insurance
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All of the accidents I've seen with reloaded ammo have been caused directly by reduced charges.

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 Post subject: Re: NSRA insurance
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Just use the NRA insurance, fully covers you and is a tad cheaper to.

Our club has ditched the NSRA, they are worse than useless.

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 Post subject: Re: NSRA insurance
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Mattnall wrote:
All of the accidents I've seen with reloaded ammo have been caused directly by reduced charges.


Funny old world.

All of the accidents I've seen with reloaded ammo have been caused directly by overloaded charges.

After years of me and my club members shooting 100s of thousands of reduced loads there has never been an accident.

Looks like some people know how to hand load safely and others don't.

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All of the accidents I've seen with reloaded ammo have been caused directly by reduced charges.


Funny old world.

All of the accidents I've seen with reloaded ammo have been caused directly by overloaded charges.

After years of me and my club members shooting 100s of thousands of reduced loads there has never been an accident.

Looks like some people know how to hand load safely and others don't.


What Adam said. tesnews The only ammunition I buy is .22 every thing else I reload for full charges out door ranges and down loaded for indoor 25 yards.


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 Post subject: Re: NSRA insurance
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dromia wrote:
Mattnall wrote:
All of the accidents I've seen with reloaded ammo have been caused directly by reduced charges.


Funny old world.

All of the accidents I've seen with reloaded ammo have been caused directly by overloaded charges.

After years of me and my club members shooting 100s of thousands of reduced loads there has never been an accident.

Looks like some people know how to hand load safely and others don't.


So it looks like we have both seen reloaders causing incidents and in completely different ways, possibly more evidence indicating a basic reloading safety course is required.

With some rounds, like the .223, it is difficult to over charge using the majority of suitable powder, indeed .223 is often a compressed charge.
I have seen more incidents with factory rounds, 'slow-burns' being the most common.

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 Post subject: Re: NSRA insurance
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As i saw on another site recently. Blah Blah need a course for this an a course for that, basic safety this safety that.
Why, would that be a requirement?


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