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Re: Statutory guidance to police on firearms licensing

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christel wrote:Get it done teanews
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Re: Statutory guidance to police on firearms licensing

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Firearms statutory guidance
Q1. Are you replying:
on behalf of a business or other organisation

Business and other organisations
Q4. Where is the main location of your business or organisation?
England

Q5. What is the nature of your business or organisation? (tick all that apply)
Firearms dealer

Medical arrangements
Q6. To what extent do you agree that the new arrangement for medical checks will improve public safety?
Strongly disagree

Q7. To what extent do you agree that the police should not proceed to issue a firearm or shotgun certificate unless they have received the relevant information from the applicant’s GP?
Strongly disagree

Q8. To what extent do you agree that the new arrangements for medical checks represent an effective and efficient approach to ensure the police have the medical information they need before making a decision on the application?
Strongly disagree

Q9. Do you have any other comments on the new arrangements for medical checks? (150 words max)
All medical checks will achieve is confusion - applicants who hardly ever is seen by a GP, misinformation as patients are rarely seen by the same GP - it is a hurdle that is not needed and will cost everybody involved time and money that could be better spent elsewhere. Talk to club owners and get more informative feedback.

The draft guidance other than the new medical arrangements
Q10. Considering the draft guidance other than the new medical arrangements, are there any additional checks or processes that should be included in the statutory guidance to improve public safety?
Yes
If “yes”, please specify and give reasons (max 150 words):
Talk to club owners, they are the ones who will know more about the probationers and the FAC holders than anyone else.

Q11. Is there anything further that can be added to the guidance to achieve a more consistent approach between forces regarding their firearms licensing functions?
Yes
If “yes”, please specify and give reasons (max 150 words):
Prevent individual forces from making their own rules up as they go along. It is not fair that one FAC holder can move from one county to another and be met with a whole new rule set which is not even in the guidance nor the firearms act 1968 compared to where they moved from.

Q12. To what extent do you agree that the draft guidance properly balances the interests of certificate holders and the need to preserve public safety?
Strongly disagree

Q13. Do you have any other comments on the draft guidance? (max 150 words):
Stop using "public safety" as an excuse to prevent law abiding citizens from enjoying their hobby.
As far as I am aware no legally held firearms have been used in a crime.

Costs and benefits
Q14. Will any costs arise as a result of the new medical guidance that are not taken into account in the impact assessment?
Yes
If “yes”, please specify and provide estimates where possible (max 150 words):
Repeated demands for a medical will increase cost. If a GP refuses to issue the requested paperwork one has to go elsewhere very likely at extra cost to get the paperwork issued.

Q15. Will any benefits arise as a result of the new medical guidance that are not taken into account in the impact assessment?
No
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Re: Statutory guidance to police on firearms licensing

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Q2. Are you primarily a resident of:
England

Q3. What is the nature of your interest in firearms regulation? I am a.. (tick all that apply)
Firearm certificate holder
Shotgun certificate holder
Gamekeeper or pest controller
Recreational shooter

Medical arrangements
Q6. To what extent do you agree that the new arrangement for medical checks will improve public safety?
Strongly disagree

Q7. To what extent do you agree that the police should not proceed to issue a firearm or shotgun certificate unless they have received the relevant information from the applicant’s GP?
Strongly disagree

Q8. To what extent do you agree that the new arrangements for medical checks represent an effective and efficient approach to ensure the police have the medical information they need before making a decision on the application?
Strongly disagree

Q9. Do you have any other comments on the new arrangements for medical checks? (150 words max)
GP's will not be able to make a proffesional judgement, they are not trained for it, the questions do not result in useable answers and do not allow for people who do not see their GP regularly/at all, all the arrangements do is add an extra layer of pointless bureaucracy and expense to the applicant, without protecting public safety in any measurable form

The draft guidance other than the new medical arrangements
Q10. Considering the draft guidance other than the new medical arrangements, are there any additional checks or processes that should be included in the statutory guidance to improve public safety?
Yes
If “yes”, please specify and give reasons (max 150 words):
talk to clubs they actually know the applicants

Q11. Is there anything further that can be added to the guidance to achieve a more consistent approach between forces regarding their firearms licensing functions?
Yes
If “yes”, please specify and give reasons (max 150 words):
standardise interpretation of Law between Police forces, the current system is a joke, you can move 5 miles and be in a different area where your existing FAC can be questioned due to local "rules" some areas are massively underperforming, whilst others border on perfect, this is entirely due to local personalities and agendas, this should not be the case

Q12. To what extent do you agree that the draft guidance properly balances the interests of certificate holders and the need to preserve public safety?
Strongly disagree

Q13. Do you have any other comments on the draft guidance? (max 150 words):
stop using "public safety" to justify the persecution of a section of society that have on a regular basis prove they are more law abiding than the average citizen, if legally owned firearms are being used in crime prosecute those people do not tar all of us because some criminal uses an illegal firearm that was imported/stolen/manufactured by criminals. stop people in authority pandering to their personal views in attempting to remove firearms from law abiding people who have never been a problem and never will.

Costs and benefits
Q14. Will any costs arise as a result of the new medical guidance that are not taken into account in the impact assessment?
Yes
If “yes”, please specify and provide estimates where possible (max 150 words):
introduce an opportunity to charge and people will charge, its a well proven fact, look at the history of student loans if you need an example

Q15. Will any benefits arise as a result of the new medical guidance that are not taken into account in the impact assessment?
No
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Re: Statutory guidance to police on firearms licensing

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My MP hasn't bothered to respond to me on the matter. I've not seen or heard anything from the NRA about it either.
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Re: Statutory guidance to police on firearms licensing

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I thought the survey was too simplified.

Max 150 words and most of the questions were tick a box on a scale.
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Re: Statutory guidance to police on firearms licensing

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christel wrote:I thought the survey was too simplified.

Max 150 words and most of the questions were tick a box on a scale.
Agreed about that.
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Re: Statutory guidance to police on firearms licensing

#17 Post by KidsClays&Cartridges »

christel wrote:I thought the survey was too simplified.

Max 150 words and most of the questions were tick a box on a scale.

Not just simplified, the questions were leading to a desired outcome. This is going through the motions before they do it anyway.
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