I am not planning on using them on a MOD range. You are not allowed to use them on a MOD range.MetalMagus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:18 am Alpha1, Interested to understand, are you intending to use the lead free on a MOD range or a private range. I keep finding conflicting information. But the last I saw from the NRA was that the use of lead free on MOD ranges is not allowed. This was from 2021. Is anyone aware if this has changed?
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Thanks for the feedback. I think all the replies have more than confirmed regarding the MOD's rules for the lead free ammo. But in recent weeks I had come across a few posts saying that it was possible albeit with certain restrictions. Looking back through some of them on other sites, I think the poster was getting themselves confused with the HME restrictions. Wonder if and when the MOD will collect the data regarding ricochets and keep projectiles within the safe zones for the range.
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Just received this email from MP Gary Sambrook
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Still nothing about vermin control on farmland though.
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gary.sambrook.mp@parliament.uk Dear Gary,
Our ref: MC2022/52832 21 July 2022
As you may know, your email of 30 June to the Cabinet Office has been passed to this Department. You wrote on behalf of Mr MXXXXXX about restriction proposals on the use of lead shot and bullets. I am replying as the Minister for Disabled People, Health and Work.
On 29 April 2021, the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) received a request from the Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra), with the agreement of the Scottish and Welsh Governments, to prepare a restriction report assessing the use of lead in ammunition under the UK Registration, Evaluation, Authorisation and Restriction of Chemicals (REACH) Regulations. This relates to concerns to both human health and the environment. The harm of lead ammunition to wildfowl is of particular concern as poisoning from ingesting lead ammunition causes long-term suffering and slow, painful deaths for animals.
Although the hunting of wildfowl with lead shot has been illegal since 1999 in the UK, surveys carried out from 2001 to 2013 show that the proportion of ducks killed with lead shot increased from 68 per cent to 77 per cent. The HSE and the Environment Agency, who are supporting the HSE in developing the restriction report, reviewed the evidence from Great Britain which demonstrates a risk from all shooting of lead, not just over wetlands. The restriction dossier summarises the evidence base for the hazard and risk posed by the use of lead ammunition to both human health and the environment and identifies risk management options to control these.
The HSE is not proposing a total ban on the use of lead bullets. A derogation to allow the continued use of lead bullets for sports shooting at ranges that have appropriate risk management measures in place has also been proposed in the restriction dossier. In addition, an optional derogation for the continued use of lead shot for sports shooting could be considered for licenced suppliers to sell to licenced athletes for use at licenced ranges. These derogations require further consideration to ensure that any licensing scheme required will be practical and proportionate.
To help the HSE understand how to provide the most effective, proportionate and practical approach to manage risks to health and the environment, a public consultation was launched on 6 May this year to gather information from relevant stakeholders, which will run for six months. This information will also enable the restriction report to be based on the best available evidence. To accompany the consultation, the HSE is asking questions of different groups affected by the restriction. These groups include, but are not restricted to, manufacturers, sellers, users of ammunition and operators of shooting ranges.
I would like to thank Mr MXXXXXX for commenting on the restriction proposals and encourage him to formally submit any comments or evidence of the impact of the proposed restrictions to the public consultation. Following the closure of the public consultation on 6 November, the HSE will publish a response. HSE and the Environment Agency are also preparing draft opinions and engaging with independent experts on the REACH Independent Scientific Expert Pool (RISEP), who form a Challenge Panel providing knowledge, scrutiny and challenge during the opinion-forming stage. There will be further engagement and another public consultation which will inform final opinions, before being passed to the Appropriate Authorities (the Defra Secretary of State and the Scottish and Welsh Ministers) for consideration and decision making in 2023. The opinions will be published on HSE’s website.
I hope Mr MXXXXXX will find this reply helpful.
Best wishes,
Chloe Smith MP
Minister for Disabled People, Health and Work
Still nothing about vermin control on farmland though.
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Or sport shooting that doesn't take place on 'licensed ranges', such as the majority of clay pigeon shooting, and a good deal of practical shotgun.
Have people actually been on the consultation and filled it in?? To suggest it is in anyway a fair and reasonable questionnaire would make even Boris blush. The questions mainly consist on YOU guesstimating how many people do certain shooting activities in the entire country. Fortunately they are free-form boxes and you are able to response with the appropriate level of contempt the pointless questions deserve.
At least we know who to lynch when this is all over now.
Have people actually been on the consultation and filled it in?? To suggest it is in anyway a fair and reasonable questionnaire would make even Boris blush. The questions mainly consist on YOU guesstimating how many people do certain shooting activities in the entire country. Fortunately they are free-form boxes and you are able to response with the appropriate level of contempt the pointless questions deserve.
At least we know who to lynch when this is all over now.
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As the military are exempt, this is a complete crock, as the backstops / bullet catchers have no way of knowing if it’s a civilian or military round made of lead. So the military can stick 100s of thousands of rounds into the backstop but a civilian can’t put one round. Typical nanny state logic.
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I would assume MOD/Landmarc ranges would fall under the 'authorised range' exemption. Its the private ranges/shooting land thats at the greater threat to my reading of it.kevinww wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 9:00 pm As the military are exempt, this is a complete crock, as the backstops / bullet catchers have no way of knowing if it’s a civilian or military round made of lead. So the military can stick 100s of thousands of rounds into the backstop but a civilian can’t put one round. Typical nanny state logic.
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So this is BASC's response to the lead ban consultation (or rather a summary of it). No wonder they've only released it at the 11th hour;
https://basc.org.uk/basc-response-to-uk ... sultation/
If anyone is still daft enough to still be a member of this lot could you please ask them for where the "clear evidence" is that people are being poisoned by consumption of lead shot game birds?
https://basc.org.uk/basc-response-to-uk ... sultation/
If anyone is still daft enough to still be a member of this lot could you please ask them for where the "clear evidence" is that people are being poisoned by consumption of lead shot game birds?
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So I could still use my target rifle with lead bullets but my vermin control is out the window as I won't be able to use lead. So where the hell is all this "Evidence".
BASC are a bunch of self serving W*** and it pi$$es me off that they started this lot off and are now trying to make it look as though they are making it all better. They are only interested in shotguns and the occasional deer shoot. So very expensive copper will be OK there then.
BASC are a bunch of self serving W*** and it pi$$es me off that they started this lot off and are now trying to make it look as though they are making it all better. They are only interested in shotguns and the occasional deer shoot. So very expensive copper will be OK there then.
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Agreed. When they're not appeasing those who wish to damage shooting sports, they're actively involved in the dismantling of it.Blackstuff wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:42 am So this is BASC's response to the lead ban consultation (or rather a summary of it). No wonder they've only released it at the 11th hour;
https://basc.org.uk/basc-response-to-uk ... sultation/
If anyone is still daft enough to still be a member of this lot could you please ask them for where the "clear evidence" is that people are being poisoned by consumption of lead shot game birds?
They're turkeys looking forward to Crimbo. f*** tards.
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How anyone can support or be a member of BASC is beyond me. I have taken the decision to sell anything that shoots lead or lead jacketed bullets before anything I own becomes worthless.
So after at least 50 years plus of shooting I can see the writing on the wall I need to find another hobby.
So after at least 50 years plus of shooting I can see the writing on the wall I need to find another hobby.
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