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RDC wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:10 am
I think my frustration is that I see it all playing out on social media over the last few years and I've been watching with horror as it appears to all be personal. There are things I do agree with John on, I just don't think the way it's being handled is the correct way.
I think all of the drama does weaken shooting though. Not in a public sense, but within a group of people who should be getting along. It creates and us v them camp mentality that people are pushed into by either side when the truth of it is that most people just want to get along and enjoy shooting with their mates.
I think the vast majority want what they believe is best for practical shooting too. There are differences of opinion, but nothing that can't be worked out by simply talking to each other and working toward common goals. But instead, we have personality clashes and personal grievances that prevent that from happening, positions become more entrenched, and everyone else is negatively impacted by association.
I'm not some UKPSA sycophant and I'm certainly not bezzie mates with the key players. I just enjoy practical shooting and want to see it grow in the UK. I'll shoot anywhere and with anyone as long as it looks like it is going to be fun. Anyone wanting to build bridges and work together will get my vote.
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What is also frustrating for me are the people who don't know anything about the origins of all of this, and the key players motivations who just believe hook, line and sinker everything theyre told, and they exist on 'both sides'.
The Police/FLDs do also monitor social media and no doubt this has pinned a few ears back. All of the UKPSA committee and members who run the association are volunteers and have their actual jobs away from it. Some of those jobs involve firearms/shooting/training outside of the civilian world, as well as just people with high level jobs where good reputation is essential. Even if all of the mud slinging is entirely fabricated/a misunderstanding/intentionally 'misunderstood' it can still do damage to peoples livelihoods. I think certain people need to think about that before opening their mouths, and lets face it, stop making mountains out of molehills.
Dellboy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 9:07 am
Does anyone think the fact that a treasurer with a revoked license is bringing the whole thing into disrepute
Is that a question or a statement?
People have fallen foul of overly cautious licensing departments and had their certificates pulled for all sorts of reasons. Daring to reach out for help with mental health, for example. Now, I believe we all think we know that wasn't the reason the individual in question had his certificate revoked, but my point is that certificate revocation shouldn't be considered as an automatic sign someone is duff. I'd be alot more concerned if he'd been done for embezzlement or something!
If I recall correctly, he's using a part of the law that allows media use of firearms without an individual certificate. He's not prohibited under Section 21 to my knowledge.
I believe the person in question is a servant of an RFD and using that exemption from the need for an FAC to shoot. Gets round the whole s1SG and LBP club problem. AFAIK he is not a prohibited person.
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bradaz11 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:55 pm
shooting isn't being weakened. the only people who have even heard of it are shooters, no one else cares what thorney thinks. mainstream media aren't going "such and such is talking about someone, this is the state of uk shooting!" It's just politics by people with voices. thats all.
thorney made said stuff and raised certain views he holds. UKPSA said hey, he said all this, and here are 'facts' to prove he's wrong, then invited him to say sorry and retract what he 'published'. he shared them asking for this and made more statements.
highlighting clubs and how they run, isn't weakening shooting. we all know these associations are good earners for the people in charge, just like most charities.
put your pearls down
I think my frustration is that I see it all playing out on social media over the last few years and I've been watching with horror as it appears to all be personal. There are things I do agree with John on, I just don't think the way it's being handled is the correct way.
I think all of the drama does weaken shooting though. Not in a public sense, but within a group of people who should be getting along. It creates and us v them camp mentality that people are pushed into by either side when the truth of it is that most people just want to get along and enjoy shooting with their mates.
I think the vast majority want what they believe is best for practical shooting too. There are differences of opinion, but nothing that can't be worked out by simply talking to each other and working toward common goals. But instead, we have personality clashes and personal grievances that prevent that from happening, positions become more entrenched, and everyone else is negatively impacted by association.
I'm not some UKPSA sycophant and I'm certainly not bezzie mates with the key players. I just enjoy practical shooting and want to see it grow in the UK. I'll shoot anywhere and with anyone as long as it looks like it is going to be fun. Anyone wanting to build bridges and work together will get my vote.
put like that, yes, totally agree. unfortunately, for all these little clubs and groups, this is standard stuff, especially when they gain more power or prestige. especially when some are controlling the actions of other groups. People get jealous, people get sour. there are always people that care more about other peoples business than their own. for some, it's just human nature. it s*** really, but it's pervasive with everything.
come give cowboy action a try!!
When guns are outlawed, only Outlaws will have guns
The Police/FLDs do also monitor social media and no doubt this has pinned a few ears back. All of the UKPSA committee and members who run the association are volunteers and have their actual jobs away from it. Some of those jobs involve firearms/shooting/training outside of the civilian world
well taking away licences doesn't appear to have impacted certain individuals too badly, in fact it seemed to get him more well known and open more oportunities for better access to the fun stuff.
When guns are outlawed, only Outlaws will have guns
I believe the person in question is a servant of an RFD and using that exemption from the need for an FAC to shoot. Gets round the whole s1SG and LBP club problem. AFAIK he is not a prohibited person.
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But IS a servant or indeed an RFD allowed to enter a comp when the firearm in question isnt on a personal ticket ?
Dellboy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 10:55 am
But IS a servant or indeed an RFD allowed to enter a comp when the firearm in question isnt on a personal ticket ?
Considering the very public revocation of his certificates, the fact he's not shying away from publicising that he is competing, and also the media attention it's had recently, I expect everything done is allowed. Otherwise the police would have very publicly gone after him.
Dellboy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 10:55 am
I believe the person in question is a servant of an RFD and using that exemption from the need for an FAC to shoot. Gets round the whole s1SG and LBP club problem. AFAIK he is not a prohibited person.
But IS a servant or indeed an RFD allowed to enter a comp when the firearm in question isnt on a personal ticket ?
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Yes.
How else could an RFD (or their servant) test a firearm under proper competition conditions?
This is allowed at Bisley by the NRA, it came up a few months ago and I was told it's OK.
Arming the Country, one gun at a time.
Good deals with Paul101, Charlotte the flyer, majordisorder, Charlie Muggins, among others. Thanks everybody.
Dellboy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 10:55 am
But IS a servant or indeed an RFD allowed to enter a comp when the firearm in question isnt on a personal ticket ?
Considering the very public revocation of his certificates, the fact he's not shying away from publicising that he is competing, and also the media attention it's had recently, I expect everything done is allowed. Otherwise the police would have very publicly gone after him.
Dellboy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 10:55 am
But IS a servant or indeed an RFD allowed to enter a comp when the firearm in question isnt on a personal ticket ?
Considering the very public revocation of his certificates, the fact he's not shying away from publicising that he is competing, and also the media attention it's had recently, I expect everything done is allowed. Otherwise the police would have very publicly gone after him.
And here you hit the nail on the head. I remember him making amateur videos sitting on his bed some years ago, and making numerous statements regarding firearms law, which were not correct.
He's always been good at self publicising, or courting controversy, and people listen to it - one of the biggest dangers of social media.
