Now how is that going to work? - Straight Pull Stgw-57

[Fedaykin]

I noted yesterday that A R Buckland is going to start selling a 7.5 swiss Stgw-57 straight pull, now whilst the idea of rocking up to the range with one of those beasts would be rather cool I must admit I am pondering how it will actually work.

Considering the Stgw-57 is roller delayed blow back it I am pondering how it could be made into a UK Section 1 legal straight pull without totally redesigning how it locks.

Any ideas?



http://www.forgottenweapons.com/rifles/sig-stgw-57/

[DW58]

Having shot one of these in Luxembourg (my pal Tom owns one with full rock 'n roll capability) a couple of years back, if ever there was an assault rifle to tempt me, this would be it. The Stgw.57 is amazingly accurate off the shelf, I'll watch this with interest.

The one thing which may influence the viability of a straight-pull Stgw.57 would be the difficulty in obtaining Swiss 7.5x54mm GP11 here in the UK as it is only stocked at present by one dealer.

We really need a reliable supply of GP11 in the UK at a reasonable price.

[Fedaykin]

True but it is easy to reload apparently and you can get PPu. I was out at Wentworth Sporting Supplies yesterday and I could see plenty PPu boxes of 7.5 swiss sitting in their store.

I don't really know much about A R Buckland, they/he/whomever doesn't have a website as far as I can make out and a minimum presence on Gunstar. Also does FALs of various flavours and has just advertised one in 3.62x39, now that is interesting considering the FAL was originally designed around the 7.92 Kurz and the .280 British, chambering it for the Russian round which is of similar capability is rather interesting when it comes to straight pulls.

A 7.62x39 FAL would make an interesting and more manageable addition to the collection then the 7.62x51 NATO/.308 versions coming onto market, A R Buckland also offers a .22lr FAL but the price is rather rich. Does A R Buckland have a presence here on full-bore?

[HALODIN]

Do AR Buckland have a website?

[Fedaykin]

Not that I am aware and I have been hunting for one, as I said a presence on Gunstar but that is it.

I know there would be many who would chew a leg off to have a .22lr SLR/FAL whatever the price let alone a 7.62x39 example or a Stgw-57. The lack of web presence hardly helps getting such things onto market.

The more of that kind of thing that gets onto market the more likely other manufacturers will offer options.

[froggy]

DW58, get yourself a Chilean SG 510 one in 308 ...

[HALODIN]

OK thanks. Shame I would have liked to look at his stock. It does worry that more and more companies are offering S5 -> S1 "conversions," the more it rises to the forefront, the more adverse attention it will attract.

Got to say, it's an interesting rifle. I've never seen one...

[Fedaykin]

That would be nice froggy but it would require someone to be selling straight pull SG 510 here in the UK.

[Fedaykin]

Have a look at the Forgottenweapons strip down of the AMT rifle which is in effect a civilian .308 version of the Stgw57:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HacUqZN8t4Q

One intersting feature is that strange leaver just above the trigger guard, it is a secondary trigger that pulls down when you are wearing thick snow gloves.

As for S5 to S1 conversions HALODIN this has been probably done to death here already in respect of the SLR/FAL but as far as I see it as long as the rifle is converted to the letter of the law in respect of restricted parts I don't see too much of an issue. Of course that does take back to my original question, the Stgw57 doesn't have a gas system it is effectively a direct blow back rifle using a roller delayed action. I would be curious how A R Buckland has managed to get a rifle of that ilk pass the Home Office, if there is a way it opens up all sorts of possibilities in respect of rifles like the CETME or G3.

[HALODIN]

The problem is there isn't a letter of the law, only one manufacturer had their rifle OK'd, but no one else has to the best of my knowledge. Everyone else is using that as guidance when the home office has told me the burden of proof is on the manufacturer and may ultimately have to be proven in a court of law. They're walking a very fine line and it wouldn't take much to have the situation reviewed IMO.

I agree, it doesn't sound like it fits the straight pull design as it's blowback.